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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by daemonic3
Just one more thing to add about negotiating in today's climate, based on prior normal years experience: Good luck!!

It is currently a seller's market (even used trucks are going for a premium) and with still low dealer stock, they have very little motivation to negotiate and keep dropping the price. The dealers here say they can sell mine for close to MSRP if I walk away from my retail order. So they had no incentive to try to lock in my expiring PCO's with funds out of their pocket. They make more money if I take my x-plan and walk, and frankly told me as much.
So you have an X-Plan order, expiring PCOs (impossible, can only have 1). Your dealer is incompetent. They can lock incentives at time of order with Ford, including the PCO, at zero cost. Find another dealer.

If they take X-Plan, but refuse to place an X-plan order, call Ford and file a complaint.
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
So you have an X-Plan order, expiring PCOs (impossible, can only have 1). Your dealer is incompetent. They can lock incentives at time of order with Ford, including the PCO, at zero cost. Find another dealer.

If they take X-Plan, but refuse to place an X-plan order, call Ford and file a complaint.
Can only use one PCO, but all expired on Jan4 (I had 3 but they were redundant). None would "lock" those in (like they do with incentives) because it is out of Ford corporate pockets, and they don't want to eat it if Ford want pay them back. Have retail order with 2 dealers and neither would do it. From what other forum members have been saying, MOST dealers will not honor the PCO's that expired even if you ordered waaaaay before it expired (which I did), and the ones that do "honor" it are doing so on their own dime. Each of mine were even aware I had a 2nd retail order with exact same build and they absolutely did not try to compete.

The dealer I'm going with has been 100% straight up with answers every time. I have $1600 incentives valid on invoice date ($1k is from financing that I will pay off), so that is worst case. I did manage to recover a new PCO for $2k donated from another forum member's popup window. So all that is as good as I am getting (x-plan minus $3600), unless extra incentives show up at delivery.

Basically I am back to the expected out of pocket price I had originally calculated in my spreadsheet back in October, except for the max tow increase. Even though retail order was months before the Dec23rd max tow increase, the price was never set until it was invoiced/windowstickered. So I got fudged out of $500 there and neither dealer would budge "it is out of my control". In fact the one I'm going with never lied to me, he kept saying "I cannot quote you the exact price until it is invoiced" even though I had it written up in PDF form and then in excel tables and just wanted a "yep" in writing, he was smart and never would commit.
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 07:50 PM
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I ordered and used X plan. I contacted 5 dealerships, told them I was going to place an order that day from whomever could give me the best price. Only 1 ended up giving me a quote, and after a little back and forth they were +500 over invoice, but with a $600 dealer prep fee. Decided to use the x plan at the closest dealership. I think the best part of x plan is the $100 cap on dealer fees. Every dealer I looked at had a $600 fee. So that alone was worth $500 regardless of the selling price.
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by daemonic3
Just one more thing to add about negotiating in today's climate, based on prior normal years experience: Good luck!!

It is currently a seller's market (even used trucks are going for a premium) and with still low dealer stock, they have very little motivation to negotiate and keep dropping the price. The dealers here say they can sell mine for close to MSRP if I walk away from my retail order. So they had no incentive to try to lock in my expiring PCO's with funds out of their pocket. They make more money if I take my x-plan and walk, and frankly told me as much.
I hate to say it, but yes the X plan is the best deal most can get right now. I’m a hard sell and I’ve walked our of 5 deals before this final truck. X-Plan is really best for the higher trim trucks, since ford has very little incentives for them.
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 11:35 PM
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I hate to say it, but yes the X plan is the best deal most can get right now. I’m a hard sell and I’ve walked our of 5 deals before this final truck. X-Plan is really best for the higher trim trucks, since ford has very little incentives for them.
That was my conclusion after calling 4 local ones to order back in the fall. No one is going to go below x-plan, they barely even had trucks on the lots. So since x-plan was fixed I just needed to get best incentives+PCO, and I used the largest volume dealer in NoCal, and a large dealer in San Jose (since I used them in 2017) to make my chances good as they should have massive allocations. And here I am still waiting just like everyone else that didn't even try as hard haha so much for all that legwork.
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by daemonic3
That was my conclusion after calling 4 local ones to order back in the fall. No one is going to go below x-plan, they barely even had trucks on the lots. So since x-plan was fixed I just needed to get best incentives+PCO, and I used the largest volume dealer in NoCal, and a large dealer in San Jose (since I used them in 2017) to make my chances good as they should have massive allocations. And here I am still waiting just like everyone else that didn't even try as hard haha so much for all that legwork.
I put in 2 weeks of searching and walked out of 4 or 5 different dealers on 4 different truck. I had to go to Texas to find the truck with everything I wanted.
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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 10:17 PM
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Costco’s auto buying program gives X-plan less $1,000 and any incentives. For my Platinum, it was $68,244 - $1,000 (Costco) - $600 Ford rebate. It was very easy, but the dealer would not budge below that price.
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Old Feb 1, 2021 | 11:37 AM
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Costco won't work in Houston or in Kentucky...guess it's an area thing. Anyone know if a voucher delivered to me, but has a different name on it is ok to use? It's a $2500 PICO, has a reference number, but the only thing wrong is the name on the front. Addressed to me as well...thoughts?
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Old Feb 1, 2021 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rosccoef16
Costco won't work in Houston or in Kentucky...guess it's an area thing. Anyone know if a voucher delivered to me, but has a different name on it is ok to use? It's a $2500 PICO, has a reference number, but the only thing wrong is the name on the front. Addressed to me as well...thoughts?
You say "only thing wrong is the name on the front". Then you say "addressed to me as well"? What does that mean?

No, you cannot use a PCO with someone else's name on it, UNLESS they are in your household. The offer has specific terms and conditions printed right on it. Even says "non-transferrable out of household", no?

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Costco won't work in Houston or in Kentucky...guess it's an area thing. Anyone know if a voucher delivered to me, but has a different name on it is ok to use? It's a $2500 PICO, has a reference number, but the only thing wrong is the name on the front. Addressed to me as well...thoughts?
Actually, it's a dealer thing. Dealers opt in. Or not. A dealer could be close, or not.

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Costco’s auto buying program gives X-plan less $1,000 and any incentives. For my Platinum, it was $68,244 - $1,000 (Costco) - $600 Ford rebate. It was very easy, but the dealer would not budge below that price.
I don't believe this blanket statement is correct. Others have posted that X-Plan beats Costco. https://www.f150forum.com/f118/buyin...0/#post5676904 Costco doesn't publish prices, you have to go to a dealer that they refer you to to get a price. And I believe you cannot order a vehicle, it needs to be from stock.

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Old Feb 1, 2021 | 12:05 PM
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Rick,

By addressed to me...the envelope and outside portion has my name. The contents enclosed is a FORD PICO for $2500 with the wrong name on it.There is also a code. I have a 2019 F250-the 4th Ford I've bought from the same dealership and this is the second PICO I've received, though the first one was without error. The dealership was obviously aware I'd received the first offer, but hasn't reached out thus far on the second...thus the reason for my question.

As to dealers opting in for Costco--got it and agree. Inventory and 69,000 other issues are likely impacting their decision to opt in. I have X Plan, and had a 20 well below that. I have time as this truck purchase is for my son, so we will wait. However, I do agree with your statement re: Costco. Last year I found what you wrote to be true.
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