if the truck had even the manual lumbar support for the average working person it might be a deal breaker or deal maker I would think

 

Just ordered an XL with HDPP and though it doesn’t allow it on the ford site, you can now get it on XLT as well

 

Thats not news. You get still get HDPP up to XLT mid. But not XLT high.

 

FWIW I was looking at some Super Duties last week that were on the lot. To me, the noses on these new trucks are friggin’ ugly as hell. I’d wait on a HDPP F150 any day for my use case if could get one in a Lariat.

Gosh the new Super Duties are UGLY.

 

I would think you need a Super Duty or you don’t and not based on appearance

 

The whole point of the HDPP is for those who want a ‘tweener’ truck. One that can do more work then a standard F150 but not what a F250 can do. A F150 on steroids if you would. So for those that would entertain the HDPP variety instead of a F250, YES what it looks like matters. If I can build a F150 HDPP just how I want it and it’ll get the job done, or step into a F250 and call it a day, if the F250 looks like *** (subjectively) then its definitely part of the consideration to buying one.

Anybody who really NEEDS a F250 isn’t going to consider a HDPP F150.

 

This was moved back from XLT Mid to XL for 23 specifically. The order guide still says only XL, and unless someone has actually been able to order one, I'm inclined to believe the latest order guide. The B&P site is the absolute worst for accurate info.

 

It appears you are correct.

 

I’ve compared my 21 HDPP XLT to diesel F250’s and more often than not I have more payload available than the SD. I only tow my trailer a couple of times per month, so having the ride quality/MPG’s of the 3.5EB engine in the half-ton for daily-driving is a huge reason why I stayed away from the 250. At this point, as noted above, by HDPP is more capable than a lot of SD trucks because payload is the biggest limitation when it comes to towing (so long as you’re actually concerned with staying within the truck’s ratings). When it’s time to move up to a 5th wheel, I’m not even going to consider a 250 and will proceed directly to a 350 if staying in SRW or a 450 if yielding to a DRW.

If Ford would have offered the HDPP on the Lariat or 302A XLT trims, I would have gladly paid more more for the truck. That being said, I’m extremely happy with my 301A trim. I promptly swapped out the stock halogen headlights for some AlphaRex LUXX LED’s, which was my number one gripe about the lower trim. Otherwise, I’m solid as is.

All that to say I agree with most others here - Ford is much more likely to eliminate HDPP altogether before offering it on higher trim levels. The fact they ready pushed it down to XL trims is the writing in the wall. Coupled with limited sales (as most consumers would just jump to the SD without much research/thought), I believe the HDPP is doomed.

 

Comparing a F150 3.5 to a F250 Diesel is not apples to apples. The diesel eats up a lot of payload, I dont know why so many think the diesel means higher payload. There are more than one GVW ratings available with the diesel, so it COULD have a higher GVW than a F250 gas but would probably still not have as much payload.
A F250 diesel is best suited to towing huge boats well beyond any I would tow with even your F150 HDPP with higher payload. The tongue weight of said boat wont exceed the payload but sure would be a knuckle biter for a F150.

Apples to apples would be a F250 XLT screw gas vs F150 XLT HDPP.