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Old Jul 27, 2023 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ptoughneigh
I agree it may get phased out and that it's to advertise the highest available payload, and that an F-250 is a better choice for towing and payload, but I wish it wasn't going away. My truck isn't far from a diesel F-250 as far as payload and MPG, for far less money and better ride. If you tow infrequently and under 10,000 pounds, it can be the sweet spot.
I totally agree.

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Getting rid of it means F-250 + a daily driver. Some people (me included) would only like 1 vehicle. The F-150 is the family vehicle right now as well as my daily driver. I will not need the HDPP, I am happy with my ~1800 payload. But saying "just get a HD" is not an answer. HD is not ideal for daily driving and parking.
I also want just one truck.

I don't know about you, but I see the 1/2 ton market every time I get on the road. I see GM 1500's, Ram 1500's, Nissan Titans, Toyota Tundras. None of those have a heavy duty payload package, and combined they do make up for most of the market. Then there are Ford F150's.
Of all the F150s I have encountered, and that is a lot, I have only seen 1 HDPP and it was on a dealer lot. So in reality, there isnt a whole lot of money to be made by Ford for HDPP F150 trucks.

Point in case, HDPP is probably a profit loss for Ford as it seems they just dont sell that many
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Old Jul 28, 2023 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RangerRich
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Any opinion or insight regarding whether or not Ford will offer the HDPP in XLT or Lariat again in 2024 and beyond? Thanks!
In 5 years or less, I doubt there will be a HDPP option available for any truck.
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Old Jul 28, 2023 | 04:59 PM
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Thanks to all those who commented on the future availability of the HDPP in higher trims. I think you are right! But I only want to garage and insure one vehicle. 80% of the time I am running the highways for work with another co worker and tonneau cover over our luggage. Then I become a weekend warrior and want to haul an 1100 pound slide in camper, 800 pounds of people and gear and maybe tow a boat with a 100-150 pound tongue weight. An F150 with the HDPP fits the bill perfectly and keeps me legal. If I live to retirement an F350 will make sense and an electric bike for running to the store lol. I think I will look out for a used 21 or 22 Super Crew HDPP closest to the options I prefer. No hurry. Currently running an CC 6.5 bed Powerboost in XLT high. Darned thing will move out in a hurry. Dismal 1360 payload sticker is my only complaint. And winter time MPGs are only 18-21 but around town this summer it amazes me to get 23-28 on short trips. No better than a 3.5 or 5.0 on highway mpgs in my opinion. Running an average of 76 mph highway it is about 20-22.

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Old Jul 28, 2023 | 05:26 PM
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I agree that the proliferation of parts costs Ford money, but maybe the solution is to trim the LOWER performing options rather than the HIGHER performing options? I.e. make HDPP the standard for the F150. I have argued several times that there are a TON of opportunities for Ford to simplify their truck lineup, to the tune of eliminating 60% of the current chassis, engine and suspension options without limiting customer choice. In all of those discussions I was told that Ford can make infinitely many different parts without incurring additional costs, and that simplifying the lineup would not assist Ford's bottom line at all.
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Old Jul 28, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RangerRich
No better than a 3.5 or 5.0 on highway mpgs in my opinion. Running an average of 76 mph highway it is about 20-22.

Take care out there!
This is unfortunately or fortunately a feature of the hybrid design. The way to improve fuel economy on the highway is via much improved wind resistance. Save doing that, you need to lean more on a huge battery or downsize the engine. Ford chose to not compromise on the functionality of the truck and let’s face it trucks are horrible when it comes to wind resistance. Just sounds like you were expecting the near impossible.
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Old Jul 28, 2023 | 06:57 PM
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Bottom line, if you need a 3/4 ton truck... guess what, they sell one. I never understood the market for the HDPP trucks. Niche at best. Plumbers with racks on them for carrying pipe, other trades which need something marginally more than a half ton, and your oddball owner who just wanted a little more "on-paper" capacity to stay legal. And that is an extreme minority owner.
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Old Jul 29, 2023 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by amschind
I agree that the proliferation of parts costs Ford money, but maybe the solution is to trim the LOWER performing options rather than the HIGHER performing options? I.e. make HDPP the standard for the F150. I have argued several times that there are a TON of opportunities for Ford to simplify their truck lineup, to the tune of eliminating 60% of the current chassis, engine and suspension options without limiting customer choice. In all of those discussions I was told that Ford can make infinitely many different parts without incurring additional costs, and that simplifying the lineup would not assist Ford's bottom line at all.
Trim what lower "performing" options? Like the base motor? That would destroy their fleet sales of which is enormous, and a few of us as well.
Making HDPP the standard, of which is an option most people don't even want, is not a good business decision. That in itself drives up cost of which would take a hit on competitiveness.

I am curious on what 60% you would eliminate......Their vast options is part of Ford's marketing edge.
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Old Jul 29, 2023 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RangerRich
But I only want to garage and insure one vehicle. 80% of the time I am running the highways for work with another co worker and tonneau cover over our luggage. Then I become a weekend warrior and want to haul an 1100 pound slide in camper, 800 pounds of people and gear and maybe tow a boat with a 100-150 pound tongue weight. An F150 with the HDPP fits the bill perfectly and keeps me legal............ I think I will look out for a used 21 or 22 Super Crew HDPP closest to the options I prefer.
Seems to me like you need to settle for a XL High. I wouldnt even consider a used 21 or 22.

On this forum, HDPP is frequently discussed but in the real world finding a used HDPP is going to be a needle in a haystack.
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Old Jul 29, 2023 | 07:31 AM
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If Ford offered HDPP on 5.5ft box and 4x4 they would sell a lot more. But they don't.

It's a marketing ploy to say they have Best in Class payload but then they limit the offering so much most F-150 owners don't know it exists or want a different combo bad enough they skip buying the package. It's a shame, great truck if you can live with trim and option limitations to buy one.

I see quite a few in the wild. Easy to spot them. Wheels specific to the package is fastest way to identify them.
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Old Jul 29, 2023 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by KTM753
If Ford offered HDPP on 5.5ft box and 4x4 they would sell a lot more. But they don't.

It's a marketing ploy to say they have Best in Class payload .
One thing you can count on is if they would make more money offering HDPP in supercrew short beds it would be there.
In the past it was offered in Lariat trims. But obviously that wasn't enough of a money maker for them.

Its not like they refuse to offer it to spite of the customers.
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