trailer backup assist
01-26-2017, 08:14 PM
#22
Senior Member
Youre comparing apples and oranges. Trailer controller and trailer brakes are a functional part of your trailer, whether it comes in factory form, or aftermarket. Are you insinuating that someone ride on the trailer and flinstone it for braking power? Come on man, you can do better.
If you only tow a boat trailer, then a Trailer Brake Controller is as useless a tow package item as there is, more so than the TBA, which, at least, works with any trailer with a standard hitch.
Boat trailers have non-electric surge brakes, thus the TBC is useless in that instance.
01-26-2017, 08:36 PM
#23
Sorry, you did not read my post correctly.
If you only tow a boat trailer, then a Trailer Brake Controller is as useless a tow package item as there is, more so than the TBA, which, at least, works with any trailer with a standard hitch.
Boat trailers have non-electric surge brakes, thus the TBC is useless in that instance.
If you only tow a boat trailer, then a Trailer Brake Controller is as useless a tow package item as there is, more so than the TBA, which, at least, works with any trailer with a standard hitch.
Boat trailers have non-electric surge brakes, thus the TBC is useless in that instance.
http://www.boatus.com/magazine/trail...lic-brakes.asp
01-26-2017, 09:08 PM
#24
Senior Member
Well I have it and love it. Yes it does limit your turning so it won't jack knife but it is awesome if you have to backup a long distance. I use it about 75% of the time. Best part is you can be more precise with it than without. It does take some getting use to.
01-26-2017, 10:33 PM
#26
Senior Member
Oh really? I guess you better let all the people that have electric brakes on their boat trailers know that!
But, if you can show me that the Ford TBC is compatible with all electric over hydraulic brake systems, I will humbly apologize.
BTW, that quote below is from the article you cited in your link. You did read it, didn't you?
Cab controller compatibility can be an issue between the EOH brake manufacturer, the trailer manufacturer (if the EOH is installed by the factory), and the model/year of the tow vehicle. Some controllers that are part of a tow vehicle package may not work with the trailer brake system. Magic Tilt's Tony D'Ippolito uses this example to make that point: "Factory-installed brake controllers in a tow vehicle package use a digital signal while the trailer's electric over hydraulic system sometimes uses an analog system. That's the cause of incompatibility so boat owners need to be aware of this if they're looking at this system
01-26-2017, 11:04 PM
#27
LOL, sorry, good buddy, but I've been boating for a really, really long time. Most of the electric-over-hydraulic boat trailer brake systems need a dedicated brake controller. In those systems, the OEM controller is useless.
But, if you can show me that the Ford TBC is compatible with all electric over hydraulic brake systems, I will humbly apologize.
BTW, that quote below is from the article you cited in your link. You did read it, didn't you?
Quote:
Cab controller compatibility can be an issue between the EOH brake manufacturer, the trailer manufacturer (if the EOH is installed by the factory), and the model/year of the tow vehicle. Some controllers that are part of a tow vehicle package may not work with the trailer brake system. Magic Tilt's Tony D'Ippolito uses this example to make that point: "Factory-installed brake controllers in a tow vehicle package use a digital signal while the trailer's electric over hydraulic system sometimes uses an analog system. That's the cause of incompatibility so boat owners need to be aware of this if they're looking at this system)
But, if you can show me that the Ford TBC is compatible with all electric over hydraulic brake systems, I will humbly apologize.
BTW, that quote below is from the article you cited in your link. You did read it, didn't you?
Quote:
Cab controller compatibility can be an issue between the EOH brake manufacturer, the trailer manufacturer (if the EOH is installed by the factory), and the model/year of the tow vehicle. Some controllers that are part of a tow vehicle package may not work with the trailer brake system. Magic Tilt's Tony D'Ippolito uses this example to make that point: "Factory-installed brake controllers in a tow vehicle package use a digital signal while the trailer's electric over hydraulic system sometimes uses an analog system. That's the cause of incompatibility so boat owners need to be aware of this if they're looking at this system)
Maybe you should go back and re-read your original statement? Like when you wrote, "Boat trailers have non-electric surge brakes, thus the TBC is useless in that instance."
And when I point out that you are wrong about the non-existence of electric brakes on boat trailers, all you can come up with is that sometimes they use an analog system? You evidently just found that out from reading my posted article, since you didn't even know they made them.
Anyway, I guess you didn't get my point, but your original statement of "Boat trailers have non-electric surge brakes, thus the TBC is useless in that instance." is wrong. As the article (from 2013) points out, there are many boat trailer manufacturers that make them. And they are certainly not all analog. Many are digital and will work with OEM brake controllers. The article indicated that one type won't work with GM products. But we are talking about Ford on this thread.
No where did I say they are compatible with all OEM trailer brake controllers. I am simply pointing out that your statement about non-electric surge brakes is wrong! They surely do make boat trailers with them, for several years now, and there are many that will work with OEM brake controllers.
01-27-2017, 09:11 AM
#28
Senior Member
How about we just say the TBA is great for people who don't have much experience with, or don't frequently back up a trailer? There are so many different applications for trailers that no one statement is going to cover it all. What I know is that I've been backing up trailers since I could reach the pedals on the lawn tractor. I rarely even use the backup camera. I like my mirrors and I can pretty much put any trailer anywhere I want it on the first try. But just like me, there's a guy out there who finally saved up for that bass boat he's always wanted and never pulled a trailer until the day he bought the boat. Just because some of us don't need it, doesn't mean there are others who depend on it.
And for all those "better than you" trailer pros.... ever back up a wagon? They're the reason barns have doors on both ends!
And for all those "better than you" trailer pros.... ever back up a wagon? They're the reason barns have doors on both ends!
Last edited by TheGeek; 01-27-2017 at 09:14 AM.
01-27-2017, 10:28 AM
#29
The TBA might be good and all, but someone who pulls a trailer should still know how to do it without relying on technology. It's like ever other "convenience" out there; great till it breaks, or they drive another vehicle that doesn't have it, and now the driver has no clue how to do it themselves, creating inconvenience or danger to other drivers on the road. Same goes with automatic headlights and people driving at night with only DRL's or highbeams on all the time, and blindspot sensors with people who don't bother shoulder checking, and so on...
My boat's a cabin cruiser, about 7500lbs with trailer, gear and fluids. My trailer has electric brakes that just hook up to the OEM trailer plug, and I can use the OEM brake controller that came in my truck....
LOL, sorry, good buddy, but I've been boating for a really, really long time. Most of the electric-over-hydraulic boat trailer brake systems need a dedicated brake controller. In those systems, the OEM controller is useless.
But, if you can show me that the Ford TBC is compatible with all electric over hydraulic brake systems, I will humbly apologize.
BTW, that quote below is from the article you cited in your link. You did read it, didn't you?
But, if you can show me that the Ford TBC is compatible with all electric over hydraulic brake systems, I will humbly apologize.
BTW, that quote below is from the article you cited in your link. You did read it, didn't you?
