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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tvsjr
The mentions I've heard say that it places the phasers in some configuration where they won't rattle. Success has been apparently quite limited.

If you push the accelerator the floor, plus hold the brake/turn the key or press the button, the engine will crank without introducing fuel, circulating oil and building oil pressure. When you're ready, take your foot off the gas and the engine will crank. Some people suggest this as one of the best options to protect your phasers (second to quality, clean oil and a proper filter), at the expense of rendering remote start effectively useless.
Hm alright I will start using that method and thanks for the details. Remote start will still happen periodically with having a 1 year old.
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bajaman
I almost bought a SD with the 7.3 just prior to buying my F-150...that Godzilla engine IS a monster, freaking amazing! But a lot more truck to haul around, too...so a bit of an offset. My F-150 has every single option except a sunroof, which I didn't want. The F-250 was similarily equipped (Lariat package) but lacked things like cooled front seats, heated rear seats, heated wipers...all those things included on the 502A on the F-150.
As for the ride, it was a lot stiffer but not as bad as I thought it would be.
In the end, I went with the F-150 simply because I don't NEED a SD and I liked the styling of the F-150 better, along with those extra creature comforts.
Sounds like a super (duty) deal to me...IF you need that much truck.
The SD would be more of a want, Just the phaser issue is pushing more a little more.
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by todd92
Any evidence that more frequent oil changes, Motorcraft filters and disabling *** has anything to do with cam phaser issues?
No actual evidence of this. It’s all anecdotal, but if it makes people feel good…
I wouldn’t base this trade up on phasers, but whether or not you want a 350. I have a 1/2 ton truck for a reason and a 1 ton truck would not fit my needs. I have had phasers done 2x (under warranty), sample my oil every time I change it, and my next truck purchase will be based off of my needs in a truck, not phasers, but I get where you are coming from as I will be looking at other brands. The other issues my truck has had almost pushed me over the edge to trade it in on a Ram last year, but that dealership low balled me on trade in value so I didn’t go through with it.
Also, I am not sure that the phasers have been fixed for 2020. We have a fleet truck in the shop for phasers right now which I believe is a 2020 (I need to verify the year). Phasers have been an issue with Ford since the 5.4 Triton (15+ years) so I am not sure I believe them that it has actually been solved. They have made that claim numerous times over the years which all turned out to be false. I personally expect to see phaser issues pop up in the near future on the ‘21s and ‘22s
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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If super clean oil has anything to do with cam phaser issues, then using only full synthetic, which is not prone to degradation and using a super efficient filter, like the Purolator Boss, not a pedestrian Motorcraft would be the answer. Not more frequent changes. I don't see what effect the *** would have on the phasers.
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
If super clean oil has anything to do with cam phaser issues, then using only full synthetic, which is not prone to degradation and using a super efficient filter, like the Purolator Boss, not a pedestrian Motorcraft would be the answer. Not more frequent changes. I don't see what effect the *** would have on the phasers.
The Motorcrafts are highly recommended because they have an excellent anti-drainback valve. Several other brands have issues with this... more drainback means more milliseconds the phasers spend without oil at crank.

*** just means many more starts and stops, adding wear opportunities. While these stops are short in duration, you're talking about adding thousands and thousands of stop/start cycles to the life of a vehicle. As a parallel, many aircraft parts are rated in hours or cycles - for a reason. Same here - you're adding a crap-ton of cycles.

Short of killing *** and having a real pre-oiling system, the theory behind all of this is reducing wear and buying time. The phasers are going to wear out - sooner or later. You just want them to wear out at the same time the rest of the block does, not prematurely.
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 06:00 AM
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Most oil filters have a silicone anti-drainback valve, Motorcraft aren't special in that regard. So now this issue with the phasers is wearing out? I thought the issue was getting dirty? Which is it?

People need to keep in mind this phaser issue isn't widespread. Doesn't make it unfortunate for those that have it, but it's rare.
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by todd92
Most oil filters have a silicone anti-drainback valve, Motorcraft aren't special in that regard. So now this issue with the phasers is wearing out? I thought the issue was getting dirty? Which is it?

People need to keep in mind this phaser issue isn't widespread. Doesn't make it unfortunate for those that have it, but it's rare.
And most cars have engines. But some are a lot better than others.

The issue is with the phasers not getting oil. Whether that's caused by oil drainback or by debris plugging the small oil passages responsible for oiling them, the net effect is the same.
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 07:02 PM
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Why not just add an extended warranty to your ‘20 for $1,000-$2,000 and call it a day?

check Ziegler and flood ford for best pricing.
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Old Nov 9, 2021 | 11:46 AM
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Just an update, I decided to keep the F150. I appreciate everyone's responses. Test drove a F350 a short 20 min ride but didn't seem to bad actually. Decided the keep the 10k for something else as the F150 meets my needs.

I do have the extended warranty for 125k miles so hope they figure this all out by the time I hit that.
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