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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by D.K
Common link is the 10R80 trans, but not the number of drive wheels. Same thing happens on my 2018 XLT 2WD on occasional warm starts.
Originally Posted by ShirBlackspots
According to 5-Star Tuning, the clunk is just way the transmission is designed and programmed. It goes into lockup mode in 2nd gear, so all the other gears make a clunk sound when shifting. They do have a tune for the transmission to change it's shift patterns and when it goes into lockup.

Thank you sort of what I thought but wasn't really sure.

The few videos of driveshaft motion I have seen looks like they move just enough to take up the driveline slack. - and really that doesn't take much torque either. GM 8sp's did this too on occasion but not all the time - I suspect some related program logic. I could see where either a TSB that changes the software so the clutches flutter slower - would ease the sound level and maybe keep the pump off on first Key'd start - as opposed to when start stop enables.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MagmaF150
So I have the same clunk at warm startup, and on occasion its on cold startups.
I have taken it to the shop 2 times in the past and it is currently in the shop now for the sound.

Its a 2018 5.0 with 10 speed
Issue started about 4k miles
has 7k miles on it now
It made the noise regardless of the parking brake was engaged or not.
During the troubleshooting of the truck, starting it and shutting it down repeatedly it started lunging forward which was odd. The wheels did not move more than a few inches, but they thought that was extremely odd and possibly unsafe.

Right now I am dealing with the service manage and shop foreman for the issue. The service manager heard the noise for the first time and was in awe. At first they thought it might be a vacuum issue and then said after further investigation its coming from the transmission. The service manager reached out to ford engineering regarding the issue and is working with them on a solution. The transmission is currently out of the truck and as soon as I hear what their path is going to be to correct it I will post here as well.
My 2018 F150 does exactly what your does. I took mine to Kendell Ford in Wasilla AK and the mechanic was shocked to hear it. His words "that's a horrible noise". After a few minutes of trying to help, his service advisor came out to say its normal. Even the mechanic was dumbfounded. Ford knows darn well when a few of their vehicles make the clunk periodically, it's not normal. I don't know what to do. I have had nothing but problems with my new truck regarding the transmission shifting into 6th gear at 19 miles per hour and not able to climb a 2%grade up the driveway without having to manually shift gears. Each time I bring it in, they tell me the same things, either "its normal", or "don't worry, you have a great warranty". I have just retired 3 Chevy pickups at my business, but I don't think I'll be replacing them with Fords. I'm really sick about this because my wife warned me NOT to buy a Ford but I did it anyway.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by reybeast
I found this tonight:
https://www.classaction.org/ford-f-1...roblem-lawsuit

I havnt posted in a while, but here is a recap:
I can repro almost at will now. While the clunk can happen on a cold start after sitting overnight, its easiest to reproduce after the truck has been driven for a few miles, parked, then allowed to sit for 20-40 minutes. On my truck, 2017 4x4, it will happen almost all the time. For those of you that THINK the issue is due to gear lash, I can make the issue happen while the entire weight of the truck is resting on the transmission's parking pawl, no parking brake set at all, on a gradual or steep incline. While the clunk is not as loud when resting on the tranny, it DOES still happen and can still be heard and felt. For those of you that are ok with the clunk, thats fine, you can swallow what Ford tells you, and you can settle for having an expensive truck make a loud clunk, and I hope its never a problem for you, but me, I dont like it, its NOT normal, its NOT ok, and I dont plan on just living with it. Ford told the Fiesta owners that their transmissions were just fine, but a judge agreed that just wasnt true, and I bet once the right people are engaged and proves there is an issue to a judge, that judge will rule this is also NOT normal. When that day comes, I wonder if the people on this forum that will "just live with it" throw their hat into the ring for the resolution that is given to the people that joined a possible class action lawsuit, or will they "just live with it"?

Here are the videos I have seen and posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8u0sdnags0 (RESTING ON TRANSMISSION in Park, no parking brake set)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=7F9GoM0i6iM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Ri1wjJpsSz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JErtmQwqI9Y

https://youtu.be/UYiiA29xT68

https://youtu.be/5fgkiOLhCEU

https://youtu.be/pecOO6Abv3A
I am NOT ok with this crap either! I need help because I am just sick of being screwed by these damn car dealers! 65k dollars for a peice of crap pickup with a horrible clunk and mine also shifts completely wrong! Shudders most of the time because it'll be in 6th or 7th gear at 20 mph! Have to stomp on the gas to make it down shift or manually down it to move.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ClayJ159
I've been dealing with this same issue since i bought my truck in March. 2019 XLT 3.5 4x4 screw with 4k miles now. Dealer told me the same line about normal operating characteristics of the 10R80 transmission. I had been driving a 2wd loaner truck 2019 XLT 2.7 while the dealer had my truck. The 2wd truck never once made the clunk. Has anyone looked into this possibly being a transfer case issue? Maybe the computer is sending a quick signal to the t case then nulling it out causing the shaft to quickly rotate. I complained to Ford and requested a buyback which was denied since i didn't meet Texas lemon law requirements. I was able to get an 8 year 150k mile premium care warranty provided by Ford so i can have some peace of mind when this thing ultimately fails. I hope they figure this out.
Hopefully it won't fail 300 miles from nowhere in the Canadian highway system in February on your way to Haines AK for work at 39 below zero with absolutely no hope of a cellphone service. Which, by the way, has happened to me with my Ecodiesel dodge. I wish I now had it back because after 22 years of driving Dodge, I finally bought another Ford and wish I never did. When the idiot service advisor tells you not to worry about it because you have a great warranty, ask him how that helps in this scenario.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ClayJ159
I've been dealing with this same issue since i bought my truck in March. 2019 XLT 3.5 4x4 screw with 4k miles now. Dealer told me the same line about normal operating characteristics of the 10R80 transmission. I had been driving a 2wd loaner truck 2019 XLT 2.7 while the dealer had my truck. The 2wd truck never once made the clunk. Has anyone looked into this possibly being a transfer case issue? Maybe the computer is sending a quick signal to the t case then nulling it out causing the shaft to quickly rotate. I complained to Ford and requested a buyback which was denied since i didn't meet Texas lemon law requirements. I was able to get an 8 year 150k mile premium care warranty provided by Ford so i can have some peace of mind when this thing ultimately fails. I hope they figure this out.
If there is nothing wrong with the truck, according to Ford, why give you a $3,000.00 warranty extension? I think that's what their price is.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ShirBlackspots
Maybe that is the transmission doing a self test when you crank the engine? The 10 speed does have an electric oil pump that keeps fluid flowing in the transmission during times the engine shuts off in auto stop mode.
If that's the case, I would assume Ford would tell us that. So far from what I gather and my own experience, the service people have no idea what so ever what it is, they only say its normal.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 04:21 PM
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It's the driveline play folks. My truck makes it randomly when I park in my flat garage and the tranny P pawl doesn't 'engage'. The parking brake doesn't directly affect that, but if you use the parking brake in N, and then shift to P on a flat surface, then you might hear the 'clunk', if the parking pawl wasn't 'locked' in the transmission. And by that I mean when you put the truck in P in a slight incline, and release the brakes slowly, allowing the truck to move an inch or two, until the driveline 'locks', stopping the truck. In that instance, it'd never clunk; try it.

Now, I've heard ONE truck clunk on a thread somewhere here (a while back) much harder than mine, which I wouldn't ignore either. Maybe the sloppy Ford tolerances stacked the wrong one; who knows. But most of the clunks are quite mild, like mine. And completely harmless. The issue is Ford didn't use dampers, to save a few cents I guess. But without them, basically all cars would make the noise randomly too, since the driveline HAS to have an amount of play, which anybody could verify on any car with the engine off, tranny in N, and moving the driveshaft by hand under the car. My bikes clunk WAY harder when shifting to 1st gear while stopped, and although cringe-inducing, it's harmless too.

I'm as **** as it gets, but it's important to distinguish (either from research, or mechanical knowledge) noises that although not refined, they're not detrimental to the engine, like the cam-phaser 'decelerating' ratcheting, or a mild driveline clunk. And more importantly, even if they could be detrimental in the long run, it makes no sense to me trying to get such a widespread 'problem' resolved before Ford acknowledges fixing it first, because you'd get equally 'bad' parts, plus the risk of messing something else up in the process. It's unfortunate public automakers (basically all) have made profits their #1 #2, #3 (and maybe more) priorities, but it's the way it is. They'll continue to cut costs in the most stupid ways, like critical engine parts thinking they can get away with it, so more than ever, we need to discern real problems from unrefined behavior, or risk going nuts. Ha ha. I had low expectations from my F-150, and that helped me appreciate it for what it is, and not get worked up for what it's not (refined). I'll probably buy my first ever extended warranty (since Ford is behind it), and just not bother with issues unless it's clear there's one, and it can be duplicated at will at a dealer, ensuring I won't be sent back. Good luck guys.

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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 04:22 PM
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I have a 2018 F150 with 4500 miles. When I push start I hear a clunk coming from under vehicle. Does not happen every time. About every 6 or so starts. Any ideas? Starter? Flywheel? Appreciate any thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 06:22 PM
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Yep, I've driven multiple with the 10-speed now and they all made the clunk randomly.
Definitely not something I'm going to worry about. I have a couple other sounds that are more worrisome. These trucks are noisy, they make all kinds of weird sounds.
Obviously if your clunk is more so a significantly loud bang that's a different story
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by elptxjc
It's the driveline play folks. My truck makes it randomly when I park in my flat garage and the tranny P pawl doesn't 'engage'. The parking brake doesn't directly affect that, but if you use the parking brake in N, and then shift to P on a flat surface, then you might hear the 'clunk', if the parking pawl wasn't 'locked' in the transmission. And by that I mean when you put the truck in P in a slight incline, and release the brakes slowly, allowing the truck to move an inch or two, until the driveline 'locks', stopping the truck. In that instance, it'd never clunk; try it.

Now, I've heard ONE truck clunk on a thread somewhere here (a while back) much harder than mine, which I wouldn't ignore either. Maybe the sloppy Ford tolerances stacked the wrong one; who knows. But most of the clunks are quite mild, like mine. And completely harmless. The issue is Ford didn't use dampers, to save a few cents I guess. But without them, basically all cars would make the noise randomly too, since the driveline HAS to have an amount of play, which anybody could verify on any car with the engine off, tranny in N, and moving the driveshaft by hand under the car. My bikes clunk WAY harder when shifting to 1st gear while stopped, and although cringe-inducing, it's harmless too.

I'm as **** as it gets, but it's important to distinguish (either from research, or mechanical knowledge) noises that although not refined, they're not detrimental to the engine, like the cam-phaser 'decelerating' ratcheting, or a mild driveline clunk. And more importantly, even if they could be detrimental in the long run, it makes no sense to me trying to get such a widespread 'problem' resolved before Ford acknowledges fixing it first, because you'd get equally 'bad' parts, plus the risk of messing something else up in the process. It's unfortunate public automakers (basically all) have made profits their #1 #2, #3 (and maybe more) priorities, but it's the way it is. They'll continue to cut costs in the most stupid ways, like critical engine parts thinking they can get away with it, so more than ever, we need to discern real problems from unrefined behavior, or risk going nuts. Ha ha. I had low expectations from my F-150, and that helped me appreciate it for what it is, and not get worked up for what it's not (refined). I'll probably buy my first ever extended warranty (since Ford is behind it), and just not bother with issues unless it's clear there's one, and it can be duplicated at will at a dealer, ensuring I won't be sent back. Good luck guys.
I wish that were my only problem. As I stated a bit earlier, not only does my truck make that horrible noise, it also has a problem with the shifting. 7th or 6th gear at 20 mph. Shuddering of course, down shifting to 5 grand down hill NOT in tow mode. They say it's all normal. Well, sometimes they say its normal. Sometimes they say not to worry because I have a great warranty. I got taken bad. But I learned a lot about Ford. Never buy another one. And I usually buy 2 or sometimes 3 pickups a year. Depending on how much work we have. Toyota tundra seems like a good choice.
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