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Old 06-29-2016, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
That is an idea. Will they print in color? Would you have any idea what they might charge to print out 10,343 pages?
A quick check at Office Max online says 10k pages, black and white (cheaper), double sided, is about $400.
Full color changed it to $2900.
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
That is an idea. Will they print in color? Would you have any idea what they might charge to print out 10,343 pages?
That is really funny! I am smiling right now..
You know why?
Please imagine how it look a book with 10000 pages, in weight and size..
20 pounds?
It is not a big deal to print the manual, the issue is what are you doing with it..
That is the reason that you actually will not find any factory repair manual in paper, nowadays..
Everything is digital.
A manual from 2000, could have 1-2000 pages. In 2015, the same model, 10000 pages..
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Originally Posted by Factory-Manuals
That is really funny! I am smiling right now..
You know why?
Please imagine how it look a book with 10000 pages, in weight and size..
20 pounds?
It is not a big deal to print the manual, the issue is what are you doing with it..
That is the reason that you actually will not find any factory repair manual in paper, nowadays..
Everything is digital.
A manual from 2000, could have 1-2000 pages. In 2015, the same model, 10000 pages..

This is funny, I agree when I first read about the digital manual and how many pages it is. I was kidding about this with family a couple months ago. Its now the joke at work as one of the things we do for large customer orders is print packing slips. Some literally take about 500 pages, hey cody there is your truck manual, lol. One day I had 9 different printers printing. ended up with a stack almost arm length to chin holding it and carrying to the area I needed to process the orders. But still doesn't match 10k pages.

Realistically comparing my 500 page new pack of paper at 1 1/2" height means 10k pages is roughly 2'6" basically to my waist (ht 5'9") and considering standard box of paper is 5000pages 25lbs-35lbs depending on type would be 50-70lbs. I could see someone now yea lets see to disassemble engine reference page 2590 also see page 5493,8056, etc...wait let me bookmark that. I'm not sure whats crazier to think about the fact the manual would take longer to go thru then for the truck to be assembled on the assembly line or the fact I could fill up a good fraction of the truck with manual alone.
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
By "hyperlinks" do you mean bookmarks, or links to a webpage? I assume videos are on a website. If so, and that site is the one where you bought 3 day access, they would not open after the 3 days.
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In the entire manual, it is a single video. Here it is:

Ford explanation colors - YouTube

It explain what the colors from pictures mean.
That is all. No video to explain or show the procedures.
I'm afraid I might have to disagree with you. In the manual you sent me I have found 52 instances where I am directed to "Click here to access guided routine." Because there is no hyperlink (and I understand your explanation of that) I am not sure if it takes one to a video or something else. (There is a monitor-like icon in the book.)
If you use the search function to find that phrase, you will see for yourself.

Also, although I am mostly satisfied with my manual, I have a large concern for doing electrical testing. Specifically, there are more than 1000 instances where the troubleshooting instruction says "click to display connectors." Without knowing the connector pinout being referenced, this is of little use and I am disappointed by it.

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A quick check at Office Max online says 10k pages, black and white (cheaper), double sided, is about $400.
Full color changed it to $2900.
LOL, that is what I thought. For $2,900 You can get a lot of work done at a shop, without touching a manual.

Unless you are doing major overhaul work, you can't go wrong for $70,

And it is a lot easier to carry my laptop out to my garage than a 5,000 page double-sided paper manual.

BTW, this has got to make the Chilton, Haynes etc. manuals really, really basic, and maybe irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Lare
I'm afraid I might have to disagree with you. In the manual you sent me I have found 52 instances where I am directed to "Click here to access guided routine." Because there is no hyperlink (and I understand your explanation of that) I am not sure if it takes one to a video or something else. (There is a monitor-like icon in the book.)
If you use the search function to find that phrase, you will see for yourself.

Also, although I am mostly satisfied with my manual, I have a large concern for doing electrical testing. Specifically, there are more than 1000 instances where the troubleshooting instruction says "click to display connectors." Without knowing the connector pinout being referenced, this is of little use and I am disappointed by it.
Hi!
I am sorry to see a customer unhappy.
Like i say before, there is a single video in the entire manual, who explain the colors from pictures...
A good electrician do not need the connectors pinnout.. I know what I am talking about..
But, we have 2 options. First, you can pay a Ford annual subscription, value 2699.95 USD and all these features will work 100%. Or you can buy the DVD from Helminc, 2900$. Both options have issues...
You need a PC with Windows. And a lot of money.
We offer 99% of what offer these 2 options with 70$. And what we offer work even into a smartphone. For ever.
Sorry if you are upset.
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Originally Posted by Factory-Manuals
Hi!
I am sorry to see a customer unhappy.
Like i say before, there is a single video in the entire manual, who explain the colors from pictures...
A good electrician do not need the connectors pinnout.. I know what I am talking about..
But, we have 2 options. First, you can pay a Ford annual subscription, value 2699.95 USD and all these features will work 100%. Or you can buy the DVD from Helminc, 2900$. Both options have issues...
You need a PC with Windows. And a lot of money.
We offer 99% of what offer these 2 options with 70$. And what we offer work even into a smartphone. For ever.
Sorry if you are upset.
Personally, I'm very happy of what I got for $70. Thank you for offering us this option. In the 80s, I paid $80 for a Toyota manual, in the 90s, it was close to $300 for a Toyota manual (in 3 volumes).

$70 for 10000 factory pages, I'm happy.

In the schematics, the wire colors are indicated, that is what I use to trace signals.
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Originally Posted by Factory-Manuals
Hi!
I am sorry to see a customer unhappy.
Like i say before, there is a single video in the entire manual, who explain the colors from pictures...
A good electrician do not need the connectors pinnout.. I know what I am talking about..
But, we have 2 options. First, you can pay a Ford annual subscription, value 2699.95 USD and all these features will work 100%. Or you can buy the DVD from Helminc, 2900$. Both options have issues...
You need a PC with Windows. And a lot of money.
We offer 99% of what offer these 2 options with 70$. And what we offer work even into a smartphone. For ever.
Sorry if you are upset.
Please do not misunderstand, I am not upset. I am quite pleased for the most part. I DO NOT regret my purchase at all.
However, I do think the connector pinouts are helpful if you don't have enough room to trace back wire colors.
As to the video, I don't know what to say. There are many links that say "click for a guided procedure" snd I do not know what they would show.

Again, I do think I received good value for my money, but wished to point out what I found.

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Bimmer
Personally, I'm very happy of what I got for $70. Thank you for offering us this option. In the 80s, I paid $80 for a Toyota manual, in the 90s, it was close to $300 for a Toyota manual (in 3 volumes).

$70 for 10000 factory pages, I'm happy.

In the schematics, the wire colors are indicated, that is what I use to trace signals.
Just wanted to add that I too paid $300 for a Ford manual in 2000. (At least I recouped part of that cost by selling it on eBay when I got my F150.)

If you're troubleshooting by the schematics, sure, you can trace colors. But if you're using the pinpoint test flow charts, it will say something like "positive lead on C1234 pin 5, negative lead on C1297 pin 17, look for 1.5 volts dc." (Obviously I have paraphrased the wording of the test chart.) In a case like that, it's nicer to have a picture showing which pin is number 17 on the connector.

The main thing I'm getting from my perusal of the manual is that an extended service plan is looking really likely!
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Originally Posted by Lare
Just wanted to add that I too paid $300 for a Ford manual in 2000. (At least I recouped part of that cost by selling it on eBay when I got my F150.)

If you're troubleshooting by the schematics, sure, you can trace colors. But if you're using the pinpoint test flow charts, it will say something like "positive lead on C1234 pin 5, negative lead on C1297 pin 17, look for 1.5 volts dc." (Obviously I have paraphrased the wording of the test chart.) In a case like that, it's nicer to have a picture showing which pin is number 17 on the connector.

The main thing I'm getting from my perusal of the manual is that an extended service plan is looking really likely!
My first job was electrician, many years ago. I never look to a picture with pins.
You know why?
Because if you open the connector, you will see that inside, there are numbers, who tell you exactly what you are searching.. No need to look to a picture, because you have the real connector in your hands and you can see the numbers... But if you want to complicate the job and lose time, you can do like you think is right.
All connectors are numbered. Just take a look to any connector you want from your car.


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