Sorry....but I don't make this stuff up:

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/new-low-my-truck-319837/

12.6 at 104+, tune only 4x4.

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/my-tr...5-f150-316563/

12.5 at 105+, tune only 4x4 supercrew.

My lightning wouldn't touch that. Granted, a pulley, tune, and Cai on the L and it would pull nearly 110, which an eb can't touch without nitrous or meth.

 

It's true. Those lightnings are no joke. Back when I had my 14 5.0 SCrew I was starting to get cocky because I had beaten every truck I'd raced. I had just tune, intake, and catback on it and a red Lightning pulled next to me at a light. No one was around so we both went for it and he pulled on me like it was nothing. Definitely humbling hahaha

 

I stand corrected

 

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that in order for the lightning to be interesting it would have to be as much better than the standard 3.5 eco as the original was than the 5.4 or the day (or whatever the big motor was). I'm in no way saying the lighting wasn't impressive in its day but if they put one out now it would either have to be amazing and cost a fortune or it would be somewhat unimpressive by modern standards and not get the sales one would expect. 12 years ago, the idea of a 4 door family sized short bed truck wasn't something the market was gobbling up like it is today.

Ford has put their fast car money into the GT350R and the GT. A modern lighting that has the impact of the lighting did back in its day would cost about the same as the GT350R and probably never come close to the performance you'll want for that money because of the limitations of the truck platform which means the market is just way too small to be worth the effort on Ford's part. For much less effort on their part they can make a Raptor, sell it to you for less than the GT350R, sell a lot of volume and garner a lot of attention to their best performing product.

 

I tend to agree with most of that. For starters, a new lightning would have to be at least 550 hp to keep the same ratio you mentioned. Also note that factory specialty supercharged v8's used to make 350-400 hp, now they make 560-710 and come from all 3 US majors. Forget voodoo 5.2, it's a terrible truck motor, so now you have to develop an engine just like ford did in 1999. As for price, I think the 1999-2000 lightning was the most expensive 1/2 ton you coul buy (at least until the similar Harley came out). In today's terms that would put it in the 75k range. If you don't believe me, wait til you see the price jeep puts on the track hawk. All these reasons are why I decided to build my own instead of waiting on ford.

 

Exactly. Hell the srt 8 jeep pushes 75. The track hawk will be 85-90

 

I highly doubt a turbo'd 5.0, I def see a whippled 5.0 soon.

 

The Coyote was designed for forced induction from the start exactly because they wanted to kill two birds with one stone. The lead engineer said the weak link is the connecting rods (I believe, it's been a couple years since I read the article), swap the ones they are using now for something more stout and that is the biggest change internally.

We all know the engine can handle more power than it makes NA but the factory engineers are going to want their normal safety factors in place to cut down on warranty claims.

Of course, they would have to upgrade the suspension and brakes but there is no reason why it would need to be the most expensive truck on the market (except for the halo status and the fact that they will charge what the market will bear)..

The other option would be the second gen 3.5 EB that is supposed to make what, 650hp in the GT, 450hp in the Raptor. Take that, tune it half way between them, 550hp.

I think they've got engines that fit the bill already. They just have to want to build it.

 

Here's some food for thought (all rw):

2nd gen lightning:
torque at 3000 rpm: 425 ftlb
peak torque: 425 ftlb at 3000 rpm
Peak hp: 350 hp at 5000 rpm

Voodoo 5.2:
Torque at 3000 rpm: 290 ftlb
Peak torque: 375 ftlb at 5000 rpm
Peak hp: 465 hp at 7300 rpm

Trinity 5.4 (13-14 gt500):
Torque at 3000 rpm: 580 ftlb
Peak torque: 605 ftlb at 4000 rpm
Peak hp: 595 hp at 6600 rpm

Aftermarket supercharged 5.0:
Torque at 3000 rpm: 400 ftlb
Peak torque: 495 ftlb at 5000 rpm
Peak hp: 595 hp at 6700 rpm

I like the trinity 5.4 the best due to the torque curve and low rpm output, but I've never seen ford unshelve an engine.

 

no way on the 5.4 after it got shelved. Impressive low end though