Is The End In Sight? Ford Plans To Scale Back 5.0L V8 Production At Essex Engine Plan
05-09-2019, 07:57 AM
#211
My last truck was '11 XLT w/3.5 TT EB. It got 16-17 combined mpg, (never the 20+ that Ford claimed the EB would get) and I drive approx. 20K miles a year. It towed our 30' offshore boat pretty well but gas mileage dropped to around 8 mpg. The engine noise up front from the turbos was cool but the exhaust note out back not so much. My biggest complaint about the engine though was the replacement of the cam phasers and timing chains at around 140k miles to the tune of $2800. With all the advancements in engine technology I don't think a major engine repair should be needed at 140k miles on a daily driven truck. This really ticked me off so when it came time for a new truck I wanted to go back to NA V8.
I now drive a '18 XLT w/a 5.0L V8. So far, 17k miles in, this has been a great truck with no issues, no excessive oil use and no loud engine noises like others have reported (knock on wood). The gas mileage is the same as my old '11 at 16-17 combined mph and towing mileage is around 10. But the engine sound is much more appealing and about to get a whole lot better when the new exhaust goes on later this month. This was a factor in my decision making to go with the 302.
Based on my early results I don't see much of a difference between the two. Gas mpg is the same, towing ability is the same, the most noticeable performance difference between the two is the 10-sp tranny. Drop that in Sport mode and the truck really responds but I'm sure the EB would be similar. I have not driven a current EB w/10-sp to compare.
I hope Ford does not drop the V8 from the F-150 line up and I don't think they will. Thanks to the Mustang, Ford will always have and will always keep developing V8 motors, so it only makes sense to drop one in a truck.
I now drive a '18 XLT w/a 5.0L V8. So far, 17k miles in, this has been a great truck with no issues, no excessive oil use and no loud engine noises like others have reported (knock on wood). The gas mileage is the same as my old '11 at 16-17 combined mph and towing mileage is around 10. But the engine sound is much more appealing and about to get a whole lot better when the new exhaust goes on later this month. This was a factor in my decision making to go with the 302.
Based on my early results I don't see much of a difference between the two. Gas mpg is the same, towing ability is the same, the most noticeable performance difference between the two is the 10-sp tranny. Drop that in Sport mode and the truck really responds but I'm sure the EB would be similar. I have not driven a current EB w/10-sp to compare.
I hope Ford does not drop the V8 from the F-150 line up and I don't think they will. Thanks to the Mustang, Ford will always have and will always keep developing V8 motors, so it only makes sense to drop one in a truck.
05-09-2019, 08:30 AM
#212
Put liners back may not be that easy IF because of the larger diameter w/o liners they moved or increased the size of the valves so if you put the liners back there will be interference between the valves and the liners....
Many new 5.0s do not consume oil.
I'm monitoring mine by myself.
It is one of the early 2018 5.0s (built in Sept. 2017) and it has 25K miles on it.
During the last oil change it consumed a quarter of oil in 8000 miles which, while not great, is way far from the "more than a quarter in 3000 miles" which is the level that prompts TSB 19-2058. My drive cycle is hard for oil consumption for I mostly drive in the city so that may explain oil consumption....
The oil consumption thing should be a manufacturing (someone messed up something during the manufacturing of the engine) than a systemic issue with the engine design for many don't have that problem....
On our previous minivan we had Chrysler changing one of the cyl. heads because someone messed up the machining of one of the valve guides and the engine lost compression in one of the cylinders... That is the tested and proven, old pentastar engine... It sucks but can happen with any engine....
Many new 5.0s do not consume oil.
I'm monitoring mine by myself.
It is one of the early 2018 5.0s (built in Sept. 2017) and it has 25K miles on it.
During the last oil change it consumed a quarter of oil in 8000 miles which, while not great, is way far from the "more than a quarter in 3000 miles" which is the level that prompts TSB 19-2058. My drive cycle is hard for oil consumption for I mostly drive in the city so that may explain oil consumption....
The oil consumption thing should be a manufacturing (someone messed up something during the manufacturing of the engine) than a systemic issue with the engine design for many don't have that problem....
On our previous minivan we had Chrysler changing one of the cyl. heads because someone messed up the machining of one of the valve guides and the engine lost compression in one of the cylinders... That is the tested and proven, old pentastar engine... It sucks but can happen with any engine....
Last edited by RACarvalho; 05-09-2019 at 08:49 AM.
05-09-2019, 08:43 AM
#213
If you have an engine that consumes oil, you will get a new engine.
I have a V8 with 25K miles and it consumed a quarter in 8000 miles, not great but way far from the limit that triggers the TSB.
I have the rattle when cold and if someone will find out that this is really a problem that person will be me for I tow heavy in the winter and in the summer and the rest of the year i mostly drive in the city short distances, so a lot of deceleration and most of the time with a cold engine....
I think the way Ford is dealing with this seems to indicate the rattle is not a catastrophic issue, just an annoyance one that, nevertheless, needs to be addressed.
I didn't bother to go do the TSB for the rattle for many are reporting that it doesn't solve it so I'm waiting a new TSB that will solve that.
We will tow our 9000lbs camper from Indiana to YellowStone and back this summer and I'm expecting no issues... After we come back I'll report if we have any issues....
05-09-2019, 09:07 AM
#214
I may have said this already. Plasma spraying liners is not "new tech". It may be new for the 5.0 but it has been around decades....and it's easy. That's why everyone with a 5.0 should be extra pissed. Ford has completely dropped the ball with something that should have been simple to implement with just poor quality and execution. And then carried it over the the 19s. It costs more to fix the problem than to just send the bad blocks out and see if they take. Ford doesn't give a f*** if your 5.0 is junk.
05-09-2019, 09:25 AM
#215
Senior Member
I may have said this already. Plasma spraying liners is not "new tech". It may be new for the 5.0 but it has been around decades....and it's easy. That's why everyone with a 5.0 should be extra pissed. Ford has completely dropped the ball with something that should have been simple to implement with just poor quality and execution. And then carried it over the the 19s. It costs more to fix the problem than to just send the bad blocks out and see if they take. Ford doesn't give a f*** if your 5.0 is junk.
05-09-2019, 09:36 AM
#216
Senior Member
I may have said this already. Plasma spraying liners is not "new tech". It may be new for the 5.0 but it has been around decades....and it's easy. That's why everyone with a 5.0 should be extra pissed. Ford has completely dropped the ball with something that should have been simple to implement with just poor quality and execution. And then carried it over the the 19s. It costs more to fix the problem than to just send the bad blocks out and see if they take. Ford doesn't give a f*** if your 5.0 is junk.
My truck has:
- multiple paint defects
- mis-aligned door handles
- mis-aligned rear bumper
- tilted hitch
- one dash panel that was improperly installed
That's on top of being seriously de-contented for MY19. I keep finding stuff that is "missing." Most recent is I realized I'm missing the splash guards in the wheel wells. Not sure when that was removed, but my turbo's are completely exposed.
05-09-2019, 09:42 AM
#217
Yes there is some very poor engineering and management decisions happening at Ford in the last few years. It likely has something to do with their financial troubles. In any case, Ford clearly doesn't value the relationship between customers and their product right now. 5.0 sales are a direct result of that. The question is, does Ford know that this is self-inflicted? They sell a lot of trucks. Ford believes they have a "magic formula" with ecoboosts.....and I'll agree with that. But there is a huge market for V8s that they are boxing themselves out of with poor engineering and decisions.
05-09-2019, 09:44 AM
#218
I respectfully disagree.
I'm not justifying Ford and I'm really pissed that they drop the ball this way, but they are working on it and offering new engines for those that have the oil problem.
There is no other 1/2 ton that can do what mine does and that engine is one of the reasons.
I have a vehicle that is beautiful, it drives and feels like a big SUV and have towing and payload capacity of a 3/4 ton truck.
There is no other 1/2 ton truck with 2700lbs payload capacity.
There is no other 1/2 ton truck that can go from 50mph to 75mph towing 9000lbs up the smokey mountains - my real experience - while passing semis and even diesel 1 ton trucks towing big 5ers.
An option with potential more (perceived) quality would be to buy a 3/4 ton from Toyota but they don't make 3/4 tons anywhere in the World, do they?
I'm not justifying Ford and I'm really pissed that they drop the ball this way, but they are working on it and offering new engines for those that have the oil problem.
There is no other 1/2 ton that can do what mine does and that engine is one of the reasons.
I have a vehicle that is beautiful, it drives and feels like a big SUV and have towing and payload capacity of a 3/4 ton truck.
There is no other 1/2 ton truck with 2700lbs payload capacity.
There is no other 1/2 ton truck that can go from 50mph to 75mph towing 9000lbs up the smokey mountains - my real experience - while passing semis and even diesel 1 ton trucks towing big 5ers.
An option with potential more (perceived) quality would be to buy a 3/4 ton from Toyota but they don't make 3/4 tons anywhere in the World, do they?
Last edited by RACarvalho; 05-09-2019 at 09:46 AM.
05-09-2019, 10:07 AM
#219
Yes there is some very poor engineering and management decisions happening at Ford in the last few years. It likely has something to do with their financial troubles. In any case, Ford clearly doesn't value the relationship between customers and their product right now. 5.0 sales are a direct result of that. The question is, does Ford know that this is self-inflicted? They sell a lot of trucks. Ford believes they have a "magic formula" with ecoboosts.....and I'll agree with that. But there is a huge market for V8s that they are boxing themselves out of with poor engineering and decisions.
Small ecoboosts are a good call if you have a situation like in Europe but extrapolate that to America's truck market and trying to leverage savings turning everthing ecoboost is to ignore Americas love for V8s and a very risky proposition.
That is not new and if you track the reason why Ford said they will drop the car market is exactly because Ford took the decision to only sell in America cars that where developed to the European market..... It didn't work.
The part of American market that buys small sedans is already locked on the Japanese manufacturers and, in my consumer view, would be way smarter if Ford stuck with Sedans made for American people. Even the Lincolm Continental today is tight on the inside....
Most of Americans like internal space - who remembers the Grand Marquis? - and Ford decision to turn to European tight design killed them, for many people that would potentially buy a modern, beautiful Grand Marquis like sedan now have to move to a Suburban or Expedition to get the space they want.
Myoptic globalist decisions....
Last edited by RACarvalho; 05-09-2019 at 10:13 AM.
05-09-2019, 10:52 AM
#220
Resident Tinkerer
Rumor has it that Ford is going to replace the 5.0 with a 4.8 V8, possibly for the 2021 model year.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-pickup-spied/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-pickup-spied/