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Old May 16, 2015 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by marter
That guide is extremely misleading. It shows my truck with a base curb weight of 4,925, where in reality it scaled at 5,360 with a full (extended) tank of gas and no driver on a C.A.T. scale before adding any aftermarket.
Seems close considering gas is 6 pounds a gallon times 36. Thats over 200 right there. Add a few options and maybe a bedliner and it's about right.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 01:07 PM
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Seems close considering gas is 6 pounds a gallon times 36. Thats over 200 right there. Add a few options and maybe a bedliner and it's about right.
"Base curb weight" typically includes all fluids including fuel. Here's a quote from the 2012 Truck Payload Guide here on fleet.ford.com:

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• Base Curb Weight – The weight of the vehicle including standard equipment, oil, lubricants and a full tank of fuel (less fuel on F-650/F-750 models). It does not include the weight of driver, passengers, cargo or any optional or aftermarket equipment


Granted it's a 2012 guide, and I can't find an equivalent guide for 2015, but I doubt if the definition of "base curb weight" changed. My actual weight from the CAT scale was based on a full tank, brand new truck, without any passengers, or any bedliners, etc. It's an apples-to-apples comparison.

Just saying it's misleading is all. YMMV.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 01:22 PM
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I thought it was without fuel and with standard equipment. Seems like you ordered a lot of options that add weight like the sunroof etc.

To me within a few hundred pounds is close.

Oh well it's not worth arguing over.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by T_R
I thought it was without fuel and with standard equipment. Seems like you ordered a lot of options that add weight like the sunroof etc.

Oh well it's not worth arguing over.
I didn't mean to come off as arguing; sorry if I did. My frustration is with Ford and the lack of information available when building a truck, particularly the impact that trim levels and options have on curb weight and resulting available payload. Throw in the fact that I had more than one truck sales person tell me that trailer tongue weight wouldn't count against payload (really?) and I just can't help but think that most people going through this process can be uninformed at best.

Is the extended range tank a "standard option" or does it add to published curb weight and reduce payload? I'm guessing it's not included. Certainly not a double moonroof. It would seem possible to add build weights and payloads to the build and price tool on the website, to at least get an idea of what you're doing to your payload by adding trim levels and options. If not automated, at least give me some kind of guidance, instead of a blank stare from the sales person.

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To me within a few hundred pounds is close.
It depends. That kind of range is a big deal to me because I'm trying to balance the size of the travel trailer we want to buy with the capabilities of an F150. I don't want to go to a Super Duty. I bought a truck on a dealer's lot, so I knew what the payload was (and bought it anyway ;-), but if you're ordering a truck and your available payload is unknown to you until you can open the door of the truck and look at the sticker on the door jamb, that couple hundred pounds can be huge. I have seen KRs and Plats with under a thousand pounds of payload. Hope they're not planning on doing anything other than haul groceries. The trailer tongue weight for the trailer I'm planning on buying is 830# and my payload on the truck is 1605# so I have some juggling to do.

Sorry. Rant off.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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If the trailer is within the max towing weight of your truck, you can just use a weight distributing hitch and not worry about the extra tongue weight if it's close within reason. The bars move the weight off the tongue and level the truck out. It will actually tow better with a little more weight on the tongue, it reduces sway.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 02:58 PM
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I agree that Ford could and probably should provide close estimates of payload when configuring a truck online. They are the ones that know what each option weighs. My Platinum payload is about 1430#as it came almost fully loaded from the factory. It might have dipped below 1400# if it had the ecoboost 3.5 but the days of F-150s with sub-1000# payloads looks to be behind us.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 05:27 PM
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I have a 2015 Supercrew 4x4 with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Love it now that my dealership finally got it fixed. (Computer Problems). I was interested in the front and rear weight regarding tire pressures. The door sticker says 35 psi
in all of the tires. Running mostly unloaded right now and I figure there is a huge difference in the weight front and rear. That can affect the wear on the tires. Wish Ford would give the weight on the front and the rear of my truck
without any load. Oh well, perhaps I will head to a good scale and weigh the front and the rear and then the total weight with all wheels on the scale.
Many years ago I went with a friend to have his '39 Chevy Coupe weighed
at 2 different scales. There was a 600 lb difference in their weights.
A lot of places here will weigh a vehicle for free here. Especially if you sweet talk the operator.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wis_Skier_23
I take it you are speaking from experience? Are they usually willing to weigh it for free?
Funny this has come back up, I was at the dump today. I drive a screw with 3.5 v6. With Myself and three kids in the truck. Our Tare weight was 2340 KG

Shoul also add to thus that I had 1/4 tank of gas.

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Old May 17, 2015 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by marter
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Is the extended range tank a "standard option" or does it add to published curb weight and reduce payload? I'm guessing it's not included.
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Agree, it's not included. The base curb weight and max payload numbers are for a stripped truck. That's just the way it is. It used to be that they didn't even include the weight of the rear bumpers as they were optional for fleet orders.

You think this is bad, look at the Superduties. In its brochures, Ford considers the diesel an option and does not separately provide its payload, which can be reduced by 600# or so from the gas version.

As much as I like my truck, it's Buyer Beware with Ford.
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Old May 17, 2015 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by marter
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The trailer tongue weight for the trailer I'm planning on buying is 830# and my payload on the truck is 1605# so I have some juggling to do.
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Is that dry tongue weight?

Anyway you will have some juggling to do. And the closer you get to the truck's GVWR (maxing out your payload) the more likely you will overload the rear axle (exceed rear GAWR).

I'm currently at ~98% GVWR and ~102% rear GAWR.
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