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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 07:51 AM
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They did, which is why they wont warrant clear coat issues. Being said that, how can the clear separate if it is supposed to be a wet system?
that makes sense because its like the paint is coming up with the clear. its basically a little rough patch where I can kind of see bits of primer at the right angles. gonna swing by planet ford today and see what they say. they've treated me real well so far.
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 09:04 AM
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Wet on wet applications mean the clear is applied to the color after it has "flashed". Meaning dry to the touch. This creates a chemical bond. It is not applied to a physically wet color coat. This how i paint any brand new part. If you do apply clear to physically wet basecoat/color a reaction similar to the ops problem can occur. Wrinkles under the clear, looks like it is separating. I've done it. Happens a lot with 3 stage colors because there is a lot of color applied. 3 coats of ground color, up to 3-4 coats of pearl. It can look dry, then you'll clear it, and it can get wrinkley
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
They did, which is why they wont warrant clear coat issues. Being said that, how can the clear separate if it is supposed to be a wet system?


And probably why they charge $600 for White Platinum Clear Coat. It has an extra step/coat of stuff
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mbullock
Wet on wet applications mean the clear is applied to the color after it has "flashed". Meaning dry to the touch. This creates a chemical bond. It is not applied to a physically wet color coat. This how i paint any brand new part. If you do apply clear to physically wet basecoat/color a reaction similar to the ops problem can occur. Wrinkles under the clear, looks like it is separating. I've done it. Happens a lot with 3 stage colors because there is a lot of color applied. 3 coats of ground color, up to 3-4 coats of pearl. It can look dry, then you'll clear it, and it can get wrinkley

Yep, did the same myself. If the flash is too long between base and top though, or the base flashed faster due to the wrong temp reducer, then the bond can be compromised. Either way, it doesn't make any sense as to why the clear is peeling from the base after a chip happens. It is something Ford isn't taking responsibility for even though its an apparent defect.

Speaking of wrinkling, I remember decades back painting with Enamel. and having the prior coat turn to mush when doing a second coat. Man I did NOT know what I was doing back then. LOL I stuck to Lacquer back then, but man was that a lot of work to get right.
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Yep, did the same myself. If the flash is too long between base and top though, or the base flashed faster due to the wrong temp reducer, then the bond can be compromised. Either way, it doesn't make any sense as to why the clear is peeling from the base after a chip happens. It is something Ford isn't taking responsibility for even though its an apparent defect.

Speaking of wrinkling, I remember decades back painting with Enamel. and having the prior coat turn to mush when doing a second coat. Man I did NOT know what I was doing back then. LOL I stuck to Lacquer back then, but man was that a lot of work to get right.
I was referring to the op. The reducer in this case wouldn't be an issue. Because water born is used. Simply clearing over physically wet basecoat water born or otherwise will do something similar. I see it on the stick i use for spray out cards all the time. Because I dry the card, but not the overspray on the stick, and it will wrinkle like the ops pic.

But in your case they did the tape test? If the clear didn't peel any further than the chip, then it's not warrantable. Clear chipping from only the base is more common than many may think. I had it on a Mazda 3 i painted last week. It was a big deal because it was on the opposite side of the hood i was blending with their version of ruby red tinted clear. And it would look ugly to paint over it. Luckily I've painted a car or 2 in my day and was able to spot it in without a color match issue. I have a pic somewhere

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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 06:37 PM
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Filed the claim today. the guy just checked it out, took some pics, and said it should be covered no problem. painless, i've been very happy with planet ford in humble.
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 06:54 PM
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Filed the claim today. the guy just checked it out, took some pics, and said it should be covered no problem. painless, i've been very happy with planet ford in humble.
Awesome.

Side question. Screen name...Ruroni Kenshin reference?
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Old Sep 7, 2017 | 09:43 PM
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Awesome.

Side question. Screen name...Ruroni Kenshin reference?
no. i used to be a pretty big samurai bushido fan
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no. i used to be a pretty big samurai bushido fan
Haha. Makoto Shishio is the big villain in Kenshin.
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Old Sep 8, 2017 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mbullock

But in your case they did the tape test?
They didn't because it had a chip in the middle and immediately said no, chip caused it. Yet, when I have shown it to paint guys, they all said, thats not right.

Does this look normal to you? I can understand a little coming off immediately around the chip itself, but not a long portion like this.

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