dont know who told you that but its fake news

 

“Hope you” can cite your sources.

 

Yeah, it's called shopping for cars. Just about every car on the lot now, from most manufacturers, have auto start stop. In 2015, 30% of all vehicles had it. That number is rapidly climbing.

All these guys turning up their noses and saying it 'robs them of the driving experience.' What a joke. Yeah, super robust driving experience from a pickup. If you want to have a 'driving experience' beyond the sensation of floating into a ditch at high speed, buy another car or even a motorcycle for that purpose.

These are tools. I'm glad my tool is more efficient. Saves me money for other toys.

 

Lolololol

 

I was asking for concrete sources, since you provided a concerete number (“all”) and a specific year (“2020”), beccause I was interested. Nice straw man though.

 

Wow, some here make me laugh. Ford has done this lining for years now. Start/stop can be turned off. A lot of manufacturers are going to Start/stop do some searching people. Im not a big fan of it, but I have gotten use to it. Like others have stated you might have to go to 3.55 from 373 now with the ten speed. Drive different trucks, that's part of the fun.

 

While I don't necessarily roadrace my pickup, there is still something to be said for *the driving experience* in any vehicle. If you're numb enough to not care at all about what it is you motor down the road, then, great. But for those of us who appreciate our vehicles' driving dynamics, our trucks' feedback, then, and especially for the purist having an engine start then stop then start only to stop again everytime our foot rests on the brake pedal... it's galling. Might as well be driving a Prius. Meanwhile, and for your "floating into a ditch" argument, that's half the fun of driving into the ditch!: drifting! and utilizing the skills necessary to control it when at the limit of adhesion.

Ever hear of Phil Hill? He was (may he R.I.P.) the first U.S. driver to win the FIA Formula 1 World Championship, and for Ferrari in 1961. Every year thereafter and for the next 40 years he was invited to Maranello, Italy, to drive the latest Ferrari road cars. Some of most iconic road-going Ferraris were built during this period.

Phil told us one evening about 10 years before his passing that to extract any thrill from driving these contemporary Ferraris, they had to be driven in excess of 150 MPH. Otherwise, they were simply a sonorous pleasure... Phil had always been in civilian life (when not racing), involved in the restoration of the finer, classic automobiles such as the '20s and '30s Packards, Duesenbergs, etc, all the way back to the "brass era" Ford Model T...

In this talk he was giving that night about the "driving experience", he said he had MORE fun when driving his brass-era classics with their high CoG and their skinny tires flat out at 55 MPH on a winding road, at their limits, than he did those 150 MPH Ferraris.

He was making a point... and if we have to explain then you still wouldn't understand. Our F150s, especially! with the Coyote 5.0 V8 and the six-speed 6R80 trans in Manual + Sport modes are terrific fun. Add decent shocks and perhaps a rear swaybar or the Roadmaster Active Suspension to increase the rear roll stiffness and nearly-regardless of the tire, you can have all kinds of fun. It's called the driving experience.

 

A brass era car is one thing. These are not that. I have a nice 911 in the garage with a Metzger and real manual. That has driving character. This does not, and throwing all sorts of aftermarket bits and bobs at it won't give it character. It's a tool. It does a fine job towing my toys around. It's comfortable. End of purpose.

 

[QUOTE=icer301;5526114]Good luck with the 17
My 18 with 5.0 and 373 is quick enough
when getting on the highway at around 80 i floor it and before the average merging lane is over i'm doing 130
mind you i have a rcsb[/QUOT

Yea ok

 

wrong. Most cars dont have the stupid a.s.s. feature. You really aught to do your homework