Sjoerd15

Hello everybody,

I want to rebuild a 5.0 302 for my truck as the engine has hit 220K and is growing a bit tired.

I dont have any referencing material other than the tired engine, but i think my truck is underpowered. So i thought, when rebuilding a engine, i could stick some performance parts in it...

My problem now is... what to chose and i hope you all can help...
I bought a revised engine block of a '88 Cobra wich had little mileage (as the vendor said). As my current engine has been altered from EFi to Carb due to the LPG system it runs on i want to rebuild this engine also with a carb. It is a daily driver so i do not want to compromise on reliability.

As for performance i dont want a higher top speed (or at least, thats not the purpose) but i want my 0-60 time to improve. Also i want more power going up a hill (with a empty car driving up a not so steep hill it can not mange to maintaine its speed).

I was told a stroker set would be the best solution, and having looked up what it actually does i think that thats the way to go...

But, doing a complete engine rebuild, it would be a shame not t take every advantage i can get so i looked up some other performance parts.

They are all from summit, if anybody has another place where i can get good parts for a reasonable price... well, i'm open for suggestiones...

Here are the links for the parts i think would be nice to fit in the engine...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CMB-03-0127/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-2122/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CMB-09-0017/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ESP-B16422LA020/

What do you all tthink, will these parts fit my purpose... or is it overkill... maybe they dont match with eachother? i would like my performance upgrade to be in the idle-3500RPM range...

And what kind of performance may i think of if i use this set...
Anything i should use also?
With these parts and the gasketset i am maxing out my budget... so any costsaving tips are also more than welcome....

Thanx in advance...

Sjoerd

kaboom10

You may want to get a few of the SA books. There's a lot of information you can get off them to make decisions within your budget and wants. You will want to go conservative on the cam. A good set of aluminum heads from Edelbrock will help. Buy just a two plane manifold and use the savings for an ignition upgrade.

Sjoerd15

Thanx for the reply!

Going conservative on the cam you said, why is that? is the cam i chose to "radical", should i just use stock?

The aluminum heads are WAY to expensive for me, eventhough they surely would be nice!
You mentoned that i should go for a two plane manifold, the one i put up here is a dualplane manifold, is that not the same?
The ignitionsystem is already upgraded becuase the EFI system was replaced with a carb.

But if i read your message correctly you are saying that i should go with a stroker set and a upgrade manifold en that wouold suffice?

Thanx in advance!!

Sjoerd

PS i already ordered some books, so i can read in before i order the parts...

kaboom10

One of the biggest mistakes people make is getting a cam that operates outside the operating range of what they want. All the parts must work together to give u the most u want. I've tuned people's cars that had the wrong cam and it didn't give them what they wanted. Contact Comp Cams tech and they can fill u in. You have the right manifold but u showed it as a package. Unless u want another carb just get the manifold. Since u can't afford akuminum heads get some pocket porting and a 3 or 5 angle valve job. The books u ordered should give u insight into the proper combo. I think there's one about doing a project on a budget.

Sjoerd15

Again thanx for the answers!

I showed the package because my carb is shot also because of the LPG it runs on...
The cam was picked (by me, a noob) because it operates from idle (were i want the power) and works with the manifold (both Edelbrock performer series).
The porting work should be done by the enginerebuildguy? (i am not rebuilding it myself)? My technical english doesnt reach far, that means making the the ports bigger (simply said)??

Thanx in advance,

Sjoerd

kaboom10

You would be happier with Comp Cams line. They are incredible. Pocket porting is done by a head porter service. It isn't a full blown expensive porting job but just something to take the restriction out for a little better flow. A multi angle valve job helps a lot.

dr_bowtie

good list on parts but I would highly recommend going with a roller cam...better all the way around with increased performance and mileage and it will really make that stroker kit shine...

you may want to check rod clearance to make sure if you need a small base circle cam for rod clearance...

stay more with a stock cam if you want 0-60 improvement...the bigger you go with the cam the more off the line power you will lose...

meaning you will have to get the truck into the power band to use the cam and anything below that will suffer...

Sjoerd15

@dr bowtie, thank you for your response! I am working with te engine rebuildguy on the setup also and i'll probably switch cams. Do you mean something like http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-31-412-8/?

As i am a noob, i just look at the figures, and this works with a higher rpm than the edelbrock, what puts me off... But you all think this will work better?


@Kaboom 10, regarding your remark on the heads, i found http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROCO...item4cec22ebc4, will this work on my setup? the figures stated there dont mean anything to me, so please help! If this will work, i am thinking at hust doing the stroker, heads and intake, that would give me sufficient power dont you think? and then the stock cam...

Thanx in advance for all the help and tips!!

Sjoerd

kaboom10

160 cc refers to the volume capacity of the intake runners. Look at this link and u might get an idea of what they're saying http://www.trickflow.com/partdetail....098+150&orig=1 The thing is if the ports are to big it's as bad as having to big of a cam. If u take a water hose and increase its size u lose flow speed but increase volume. now u can spray more water but it doesn't go as far. Add the fact that u have a carburetor makes it more critical as u have atomized fuel dropping out of suspension due to the airflow speed is lower with to big a port. I put high flowing race heads on my street motor once and it fell over itself all the way to 3 grand then all heck broke loose. Another thing to keep in mind is the eBay heads claim to use high dollar components. Well that doesn't leave much spent on the head castings. Also take a look at this http://www.americanmuscle.com/edelbr...heads-289.html it also has 170cc runners. 190 sounds to big of a port for your application.

Sjoerd15

I had a qoute on a engine rebuild by a company called Barnett high performance.
Does anybody know this, have experience with them?

This is the quote i got:
I will cam it and pick an intake so it has good low end torque for you.
OEM Ford 5.0 race prepped block
this has been bored and honed
baked blasted and magged and pressure tested
new cam bearings fit to the cam we are using
new freeze plugs
Ford oem heads that have mild porting by Barnett
one piece stainless valves
HD springs
vitan seals
moly retainers and locks
stock Ford rockers
5.09 ford rods reconditioned with new high strength rod bolts
3. ford crank
street hyd cam and lifters
front sump oil pan
melling oil pump
new HD pushrods
compression at 12.0 to 1
HD timing chain and gears
oem timing cover
aluminum dual plane intake
chrome valve covers
Ford balancer
Ford water pump

All for $3450,-
Holley carb adds $300

What do you all think? Engine should give 280 HP an 300 Torque...

Thanx for your opinion!