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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WW302
I have yet to do my timing bump for lack of time/supplies, but the first link ymeski provided is the same one I first read about it from. I'd trust it completely and follow it to a T.
...and good things will come to you! It's the only mod I know of that improves MPG & performance.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 12:45 AM
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could i just update my plugs/coil cap and rotor and do the bump later? (dont have a timing light right now) would i still see a slight performance increase without the bump?
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:15 AM
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Goodmorning Iksmith
Do I sense "Dutch blood" in you? "Don't wanna buy; Can I borrow?"
Be clever; buy that timing light; you'll have it for the rest of your life and is usefull on other cars as well. If you are handy with it, you can adjust cars from neighbours as well if ,they like; if they pay for you action, you make money Now , does that sounds Dutch?

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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by f150cam
could i just update my plugs/coil cap and rotor and do the bump later? (dont have a timing light right now) would i still see a slight performance increase without the bump?
Update, or "upgrade"?

If you just "updated" w/ the same stock grade of parts, improvement would only increase dependent on how bad the condition was of the part being replaced.

"Upgrading" would be a 48K low ohm coil (to allow you to increase your plug gap size by 15-20%/ providing a more complete & efficient firing), a brass cap & roter (because a 48K coil will eat a stock set) & spiral core wires (to insure spark pulse makes it to the plugs uninterrupted), yes you would see an improvement.

Then when you do the bump, that's icing on the cake...& the icing is good! Read Link 2, I posted earlier.

Your compression has quite a bit to do w/ what you can expect. To see improvement from the upgrade & bump though, your compression doesn't have to be outstanding, but should be relatively balanced. If your seeing 100 or 135 psi, you will see improvement, but not as much as if you have 180 psi (talking stock 302).

You should be able to do the "upgrade" using the parts listed on Link 1, for well under $200.

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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ymeski56

Update, or "upgrade"?

If you just "updated" w/ the same stock grade of parts, improvement would only increase dependent on how bad the condition was of the part being replaced.

"Upgrading" would be a 48K low ohm coil (to allow you to increase your plug gap size by 15-20%/ providing a more complete & efficient firing), a brass cap & roter (because a 48K coil will eat a stock set) & spiral core wires (it insure spark pulse makes it to the plugs uninterrupted), yes you would see an improvement. Then when you do the bump, that's icing on the cake...& the icing is good! Read Link 2, I posted earlier.

Your compression has quite a bit to do w/ what you can expect. To see improvement from the upgrade & bump though, your compression doesn't have to be outstanding, but should be relatively balanced. If your seeing 100 or 135 psi, you will see improvement, but not as much as if you have 180 psi (talking stock 302).

You should be able to do the "upgrade" using the parts listed on Link 1, for well under $200.
Yep. Done it myself. Don't remember the price exactly. I had the timing light, but couldn't see the marks on the balancer. Still need to find some of that "timing tape" or something to make the marks more visible....
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ton van der sluijs
Goodmorning Iksmith
Do I sense "Dutch blood" in you? "Don't wanna buy; Can I borrow?"
Be clever; buy that timing light; you'll have it for the rest of your life and is usefull on other cars as well. If you are handy with it, you can adjust cars from neighbours as well if ,they like; if they pay for you action, you make money Now , does that sounds Dutch?

best regards Ton
Hey Ton! Long time no see. How's it hanging over there in the nether-neverlands? Did you see my Frank Sinatra post in "Ymeski's World"?
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Forge-World-FORD
Yep. Done it myself. Don't remember the price exactly. I had the timing light, but couldn't see the marks on the balancer. Still need to find some of that "timing tape" or something to make the marks more visible....
I just got under & held a piece of emery cloth against the pulley at a slow idle. A more sane person would just have someone bump the starter, till the marks were accessible. Then mark "0" TDC, "10" BTDC (Factory) & what your target setting is, w/ a Whiteout correction pen.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 02:09 AM
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upgrade yea sorry lol. been a long *** day.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ymeski56

I just got under & held a piece of emery cloth against the pulley at a slow idle. A more sane person would just have someone bump the starter, till the marks were accessible. Then mark "0" TDC, "10" BTDC (Factory) & what your target setting is, w/ a Whiteout correction pen.
There's actually been a couple times the marks were right at the bottom....but I didn't have anything to mark them with....

Anything between 11-16, whatever I can get it to before it pings/misfires. I tried to do it by ear, but just ended up putting it back to where the old mark was on the distributor before I turned it.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by f150cam
upgrade yea sorry lol. been a long *** day.
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