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Old 06-04-2016, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by brown1
so if we exclude hdpp trucks is it safe to say that every 154" wheelbase truck with an ecoboost for example has a payload numer with just frame and drivetrain only? then every item bolted to givin truck is taking away from the starting payload number?
Correct. As you can see by scrolling down the link to the Ford payload sheet I posted earlier, factory accessories reduce payload. For example, going to 20" wheels reduces payload by 34 pounds, 20 inch tires (P275/55R20) 29 pounds, remote tailgate release 3 pounds, pickup box lighting 1 pound, skid plates 28 pounds, spray in bedliner 45 pounds. Then every CB radio, tonneau cover, umbrella, air freshener, Kleenex box, tool box, etc., put in the truck or attached to it also reduces available payload. Even attached airbags reduce payload by the weight of the airbags. All air bags accomplish is reduce the symptoms of heavy weight, they don't increase payload.

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Old 06-04-2016, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kevcarr59
53A tow package, which I'm assuming is the option for $895, adds a good bit but has less items than the 53C, which is Max Tow. Is that a correct look at them?? The only difference that I see, is the brake controller and the upgraded rear axle and rear bumper. My question is what is the "upgraded" rear axle, that would be included in the Max Tow?

Ford doesn't clarify that point in the order guide or towing guide. I suspect the rear axle is the 9.75" Sterling axle compared to the 8.8" Sterling axle when the drivetrain is the 5.0L engine. The upgraded rear bumper is really an upgrade. The 3-piece rear bumper includes the receiver in the center section, and that receiver in the max tow trucks is rated higher weight than the one if the regular towing package. Plus the end pieces are bolted to the frame while the non-max tow bumper is attached only to the bumper brackets.

Looking at various trucks, we noticed that trucks having the 301A vs. 302A package had a higher payload sticker than the other trucks. Most non-SPORT XLT's 301A equipped had stickers over 2000#, with the highest at 2046# IIR.
302A is the "luxury" package. It adds several items to the 301A mid-grade package. Remote start, 10-way power and heated driver and front passenger seats, power sliding rear window, XLT Chrome appearance pkg including chrome step bars, and a few other items. Those items all have weight. So an XLT with 302A otherwise identical to an XLT with 301A will weigh more. Payload capacity = GVWR minus the weight of the truck. GVWR is the same, so the 302A will have less payload capacity.

Second question, having the 36 gallon gas tank, that added fuel capacity drops the overall payload, correct, and adds to the curb weight of the vehicle?

Correct, compared to identical F-150 with 26-gallon tank. But that 36-gallon tank is worth it if you tow more than a rowboat. It was not available as a factory option on my 2012 4x2, so it cost me over $1,000 to have my dealer replace my 26-gallon tank with a 36-gallon tank for a 4x4. The big difference is I had to look for a gas station at 200 miles when towing with the smaller tank, but now I can go over 300 miles before getting antsy.

I also notice in the 2016 Towing Guide that with my motor/rear end combo I drop from 10,100 tow capacity to 8400#, what is going to make that drastic a difference??
I don't see your tow ratings of 10,100 and 8,400 in the 2016 F-150 trailer towing selector with the same engine and rear axle ratio . All tow ratings over 10,000 pounds require the HDPP, which you don't have.

It's funny telling a salesman that the 2.7L Eco with a receiver with no trailer package won't pull a 9000# trailer....
It might be able to struggle along and PULL it, but it will probably overheat the drivetrain and be a slowpoke holding up traffic on steep hills and mountain passes. Plus it will probably be severely overloaded with the ~1,100 to 1,200 pounds of hitch weight of a 9,000-pound trailer.

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