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How much weight does it take to squat the rear?

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Old 10-23-2018, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamingtaco
It's not about whether or not the chassis can handle the load, it's about loading the chassis safely. All it takes is that person cutting you off on the highway, your excess weight causes a tire to blow while you are emergency braking/maneuvering, or your rear end slides out... you end up being at fault for all damage caused by your vehicle and load, and your insurer won't cover it because you were overloaded. If having your wages garnished for hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages is fine with you... no, no, just don't do it, I don't want my family maimed or killed by your ignorance.

No one has a 'squat chart', because that is no way to judge the load, and the result would be different between the three different bed lengths, the three different cabs, the three different payload packages, 2x4 Vs 4x4, and topper Vs trifold cover Vs landau cover Vs sliider Vs open bed. Aged suspension Vs new. Bilstein shocks Vs oem. 6" drawbar Vs 8".The list goes on...
Thanks for the advice; with a half million accident-free miles, I'm perfectly comfortable with what/how I haul. Even with that weight, it still stops better than a '60s/70s/80s truck with half the weight, I'm not worried. The way people are scared of weight today, one would think you need a 3/4 to haul a bass boat. Take it slow, drive defensively, and you can definitely beat the vehicle's rated capabilities; a lot of the reason payload and tow ratings have jumped up is due to stability control and other computer interventions, but capable driving can do the same. As mentioned in my first post, the truck is a crew cab short bed FX4, and I was simply looking for some numbers in order to get a rough idea; not for fear of the boogie man. A simple "I don't know" or "I'm scared of the dark" would have sufficed.
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
Bending the trailer frame, knowingly putting it and your truck over capacity. Hopefully you'll get caught by the authorities before you kill someone.
Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. It's fine. Seeing as how the truck is perfectly controllable, stops fine, and is stable, no one else is in any danger either. Relax.
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Originally Posted by dukedkt442
Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. It's fine. Seeing as how the truck is perfectly controllable, stops fine, and is stable, no one else is in any danger either. Relax.
Capacity is actually a limit. You may chose to ignore it, but by definition it's a limit not a guideline.

ca·pac·i·ty
noun
  1. 1.
    the maximum amount that something can contain.
    "the capacity of the freezer is 1.1 cubic feet"synonyms:volume, size, magnitude, dimensions, measurements, proportions
    "the capacity of the freezer"
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Originally Posted by dukedkt442
Thanks for the advice; with a half million accident-free miles, I'm perfectly comfortable with what/how I haul. Even with that weight, it still stops better than a '60s/70s/80s truck with half the weight, I'm not worried. The way people are scared of weight today, one would think you need a 3/4 to haul a bass boat. Take it slow, drive defensively, and you can definitely beat the vehicle's rated capabilities; a lot of the reason payload and tow ratings have jumped up is due to stability control and other computer interventions, but capable driving can do the same. As mentioned in my first post, the truck is a crew cab short bed FX4, and I was simply looking for some numbers in order to get a rough idea; not for fear of the boogie man. A simple "I don't know" or "I'm scared of the dark" would have sufficed.
You are confusing fear with responsibility. I've driven many of the military's craptastic large vehicles from the 60's, 70's and 80's, an overloaded 150 or 250 would be a dream come true by comparison. And yet, I don't. Having driven a lot more than 500,000 miles does not make it ok for me to ignore the limits. Slowing down does not excuse me from the payload or tow capacities. Neither does not yet having had an accident, feeling I know better than the engineers that set the payload and GCVW limits, or feeling I know better than other drivers.

I do know better than other drivers. Many of them, at least. Knowing better means I have a responsibility to know and work within the capabilities of the vehicle I'm driving at any given time, no matter what the situation may be, or how strongly I may feel about my ability to handle said vehicle.

We are driving the average largest vehicles on the road. We have a responsibility to every other driver out there, every family in their minivan, every college kid in their civic, every newborn in the backseat of their parent's Focus, to be as safe as we can be for them, and that starts with not exceeding vehicle capacity.

If you feel otherwise, you are free to consult your state police on the topic.
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You should get a Haul Guage. I saw this the other day. Plugs in to the truck and uses the torque converter to tell how much load in the bed or how heavy the trailer is. Pretty insane.

https://www.haulgauge.com/
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Originally Posted by Stever39
You should get a Haul Guage. I saw this the other day. Plugs in to the truck and uses the torque converter to tell how much load in the bed or how heavy the trailer is. Pretty insane.

https://www.haulgauge.com/
That is pretty insane - have you used it? Wonder how accurate it is.
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Originally Posted by dukedkt442
Capacity is a guideline, not an absolute limit. ....


That's like saying speed limits are guidelines.

Or the capacity of an elevator is a guideline.

Or the capacity of a fuel reservoir is a guideline.

Or the capacity of a bridge is a guideline...
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Originally Posted by schmenke


That's like saying speed limits are guidelines.
Well lets not get all crazy. Speed Limits are guidelines...until you get caught
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Originally Posted by Jeff1024
That is pretty insane - have you used it? Wonder how accurate it is.
I dont need it but I really want it just for fun lol. Pretty wild they can figure that out.


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