Rosey17

No physics defying, just physics. A beefier suspension like the one on the HDPP can handle more weight in or on the truck than non HDPP. That's just how it is.

acdii

IN, or ON, but, not behind. While I CAN drop 1320 pounds on the receiver on my truck with payload to spare, that is still TOO much trailer for a 1/2 ton truck. Physics. A 10K trailer is nearly twice the mass of a 1/2 ton truck which has a curb weight of 5400 pounds. Just keep one thing in mind. 800. That is the difference between a non HDPP and an HDPP. 800

What is the difference between a 3/4 ton and an HDPP? 2200.

Think about that for a moment.

Physics.

Rosey17

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Like I said "in or on the truck". I don't need to think about anything you posted as it doesn't relate to my earlier comment...

8100hd

The geometric and inertial parameters are nearly identical for both trucks with some variations in tire cornering stiffness and stiffness in the vertical plane. These variations may account for some advantage, but it’s certainly not a night/day difference. From a physics stand point there’s very little difference in how one truck vs the other would handle the same trailer. Fords own TWR reflects this since as the hdpp gvw increases the TWR decreases. If such an advantage of TWR did exist with HDPP then Ford would rate it significantly higher than it is, but they don’t.

Maury82

You are absolutely correct Rosey, and I know know the limitations, the handling characteristics, effects of various winds speeds and gusts, etc, of the HDPP towing a long and heavy travel trailer.

You have plenty people who has never towed long and heavy, but got the most "virtual" experience and expertise on how the HDPP is suppose to handle based on their experiences with towing smaller and lighter trailers with far less capable "Third String" backups 1/2 tons to the "First String" starter HDPP.

You have these "virtual" experts and towing gurus who have no clue, but make the loadest noise. At first, they tried the payload trick, but realized the HDPP got plenty. Then they tried the "mini cooper" cutting you off doom and gloom, and then the big wind gust blowing you to heaven doom and gloom trick. The last doom and gloom trick is the weight of the truck...the Big Anchor routine.

They don't have the slightest clue on what's more significant, the light weight of the truck, or the marginal tires that separate the HDPP from a 3/4 ton, and the lighter weight along with weaker LT-C tires increases the difference in towing stability between the two.

With LT Load range E, I took the weaker tires out of the equation. Of course the HDPP will not tow and handle my trailer like a 3/4 ton, but it will tow and handle it better than before, and that difference should be closer to a 3/4 ton than to a Max Tow..

I would not tow my trailer with a Max Tow, or any other 1/2 ton on the market.

​​​​​I have the same amount of experience driving a truck as I do towing, and my experiences and confidence came from the way my truck handles my trailer, and if I have any hiccups in my setup, I'm not towing.

Last week, I made a mistake and ordered Michelin Defenders 275/65 18 LTX, load index 116, when I thought I was ordering LT-D.

I towed my trailer 20 minutes to the dealer on a State Route at no higher speeds than 60mph. At the time I didn't know I had actually ordered extra load P-metric tires with a max psi of 44psi. I didn't not like the way those tires handled my trailer, but I was thinking it was windy out, because that's how it felt.

I would not tow my trailer with P rated tires, and I didn't have the confidence to tow with a marginal setup.

I had proper Michelin LT275/65 18 Load Range E 123/120 index rating installed yesterday, but of course I haven't towed my trailer yet.

The dealer inflated the tires to the max rating of 48 psi on the door sticker, and I drove home on some back roads so I can feel how the tires felt, and those Michelin rode smoother than my Goodyear Wranglers at the same pressure.

I'm experimenting with tire pressure, but will probably go with the low 40s psi.

acdii

^^this guy thinks he has experience. He would crap his pants if he drove a REAL truck and had something not go right. Not a Freaking clue. Thinks his HDPP is a 1 ton. Please don't listen to him, what he thinks works for him, isn't real world. Be safe, not arrogant.

Maury82

^^^ This guy purchased a 2 wheel drive Boulevard Princess to save 200lbs of payload, and still got less than 1,600lbs of payload.

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He finally had to purchase a second truck, because his wife had to follow in a separate car on camping trips, because he maxed out the Boulevard Princess with a 7,000lbs trailer 😂😂, and now he is constantly bringing up his 1 ton truck on 1/2 ton forum.

This is a towing forum, and he is hating on the HDPP because it's the best travel trailer towing 1/2 ton on the market. He hates the HDPP so much, he took the time to research the HDPP more than the HDPP owners, and he is constantly trying to prove a point that the HDPP is no difference than a Max Tow, and he even argues that the Max Tow can tow more than the HDPP, but even he knows that the Max Tow can't tow nearly its ratings in a travel trailer, when the HDPP can tow not only it's hitch ratings and have over 1,000lbs payload to spare, but can handle the long travel trailer that's attached to it.

He got "virtual" 1/2 ton travel trailer towing experiences with anything outside of his Third String Boulevard Princess, and has no clue what the most capable 1/2 ton can really do, and no one knows the upper limits of what a 1/2 ton can tow and handle in a travel trailer, but someone towing a long and heavy trailer with a HDPP...but haters are going to hate.

He can take that pink toes Princess to the Platinum posts and brag about "bells and whistles" and leave the heavy towing discussion to those towing long and heavy.

it's amusing that he is hating on the HDPP so bad, he is complaining more than the ones towing...I have no complaints.