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Old 02-23-2019, 08:12 AM
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2018 3.5 XLT 301A SCREW HDPP 4X4 2452 payload.

Awesome, thanks! What do you guess a 4x2 would be? Around 2,700?

Btw, the payload for the generic 3.5 4x2 Screw with 5.5 box was 1,825 lbs. An identical one, but with a 6.5 box, was lower @ 1,735 lbs. I guess the extra foot weighs 90 lbs? So, if you don't go with HDPP (which requires the 6.5 box), it seems it's actually better to get the shorter bed?

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I'd definitely avoid that FX package. My neighbor has that, and he doesn't go off road nor tow anything.

I'd avoid any sports packages. There is nothing remotely sporty about these cumbersome trucks.

Avoid that sunroof.

Avoid factory running boards, or any trim above the 301 option.

I view my truck as a towing vessel, so I was after a high payload, but reasonable convenience for driving comfort, meaning skimping on features that I wouldn't appreciate.
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Originally Posted by snerf View Post
Awesome, thanks! What do you guess a 4x2 would be? Around 2,700?

Btw, the payload for the generic 3.5 4x2 Screw with 5.5 box was 1,825 lbs. An identical one, but with a 6.5 box, was lower @ 1,735 lbs. I guess the extra foot weighs 90 lbs? So, if you don't go with HDPP (which requires the 6.5 box), it seems it's actually better to get the shorter bed?
The HDPP will get you the highest payload, and the 4x2 will add ~ 200lbs.

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Originally Posted by snerf View Post
Smokey, did you ever order/receive the HDPP/Max tow/301A truck you configured above?

I walked around a local Ford dealer today, looking at all the payload/GVWR ratings in the door jambs. As you and other knowledgeable posters have noted, dealers don't have HDPP trucks sitting on their lots. Rather, they have a zillion XLT Screw, 3.5EB, 302A, some 4x2, many 4x4, trucks they'd love to sell to customers walking in off the street.

The average payload ratings I saw for these generic XLT F150s ranged between 1,750 to 1,850 lbs - again, as predicted on many threads. There was one Scab with the 3.3 that was rated near 2,000 lbs. I did see a 8' long bed 5.0 XL Scab, but it was locked and the sales guy was getting bored, so I didn't get to see the payload rating. Probably well past 2k lbs.

Anyway, my question is: does anyone have actual door jamb payload and GVWR numbers for the XLT HDPP/MT truck configured above in Smokey's first post on this thread?

Knowing my upper range with an HDPP equipped F150, I can determine whether to special order or go generic. That in turn will determine whether I get a 23', 25' or 26' Airstream.
I didn't even bother looking in the dealer lot, but went straight inside with my configured printout and my offer, and they didn't counter my offer. 😊

If you plan on towing a travel trailer with the HDPP, if it falls within its ratings, it can tow it (I can't vouch for the Max Tow).

I got my first truck last June and racked up 4,000 towing miles, and it was my first truck and first time towing a trailer...37 ft 8,400lbs dry (9,900 lbs max) trailer. 😊

I gained my confidence with driving a truck - not quite there yet - and towing at the same time, and I can't wait until camping season so I can get back out...that means my setup is a comfortable tow.



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Maury, thanx for all the feedback. The reason I went by the dealer lot was to get an actual visual of the door jamb ratings. I'm at a cross-roads of either custom ordering a HDPP/Max tow 4x2 to achieve 2,600-2,700 lbs, or seeing if I can get away with a generic XLT at around 1,825 lbs.

The appeal of the generic XLT is a lotof 2017s will be coming off 3 year leases over the next 6 months. (2017+ for obvious reasons.) People in LA love to drive F150s as their regular car, but almost all of them are the generic 302A package. There's already some low mileage (20k), single owner, certified pre-owned lease returns showing back up @ authorized Ford dealer lots - and this will only increase over the next 6 months. (CPOs are at Ford dealers - regular used are at non-Ford dealers; obviously stay away from fleet/rental.)

So, here's the math: A 25' Airstream has a base of 5,500 lbs, with a GVWR of 7,300. Assume 1,300 lbs loaded, so around 6,800 lbs wet and ready to roll. 13% TW equals 885 lbs. WDH 100, gear + stuff 400, and 2 passengers 325 adds up to 1,710 lbs. Max capacity for generic XLT (4x2, 3.5, 5.5 box) is 1,825 lbs, which gives me a cushion of 115 lbs TW or 93.5% of limit. Close, but doable.

Of course, I really don't have 400 lbs of stuff in the truck bed, nor do I have 1,300 lbs to put in the TT beyond the normal propane, solar, batt, food, clothing, cookware. So, let's say I really come in @ 1,642 lbs payload weight. That should provide an OK cushion of around 10%.

The other way to calc is to go back from the 1,825 carrying capacity. 1825 - 325 - 100 - 400 = 1,000 lbs payload capacity for TW. Divide by .13 results in 7,692 lbs max gross trailer weight. Obviously, no way I'm going over the GVWR of 7,300 lbs, so it looks like I'm also under limits using this reverse calculation.

Still, the thought of having 2,400-2,700 capacity is nice, but I'm not sure it's worth special ordering a new F150. The price guide is showing $46k, with -0- incentives. The 2017 lightly used lease returns are coming in around $27.5.

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Originally Posted by snerf View Post
Smokey, did you ever order/receive the HDPP/Max tow/301A truck you configured above?.
No. DW insisted on Lariat trim, so I ordered Lariat 501 trim with Max Tow, but without HDPP. To Save weight, I ordered SuperCab 4x2 instead of SuperCrew, tailgate steps but without bed steps. DW is handicapped so we have to have cab steps.. Yellow sticker is 1904 before I had dealer add a hard trifold tonneau cover, so max payload is about 1,800. That's plenty for my needs, but not over 2,000 it could be with HDPP.

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Happy wife, happy life. I'm juggling these numbers because my wife is driving the decision on which size/style Airstream to get. The 23' wouldn't be noticed by a generic XLT/Lariat; the 25' starts getting up to around 90% of capacity (see numbers above). The 26' and larger needs the HDPP or F250.

Also, thanks for all the info & tips you've posted. I studied the crap out of them before I felt comfortable penciling out my own calculations.
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We are already seeing some of those here in the STL area. Bare bones, no towing package ETC. For what you want to do, I think you need at least a Max Tow package, or order an HDPP. Here's the kicker with the max tow: The coolers, bigger tank, and hitch all eat into the payload. I had a rental from Enterprise while getting some accessories installed at time of purchase and they don't allow towing so they don't have the hitch, or heavier cooler and all the other good stuff. The payload on the rental truck was 2300lbs with a 5.0 and 3.31 gears.

When we were camper shopping and realized the 1375 payload of my 13 F-150 wasn't going to cut it, I started truck shopping too. I was looking to order an F-250 with the 6.2 when the sales manager asked if I'd be ok with 1800lbs payload. I'm a 2 year old, let someone else pay for depreciation kind of guy and could only find around 1600 pounds on the trucks with my wants that were used. Sure enough, my 18 Screw XLT FX-4 with sport appearance has 1775 on the sticker. The price was significantly lower than ordering a 250 because of incentives. I looked at my wife, and asked if we could eliminate a couple trailers and she said yes. Ended up with a 150, and bought a smaller camper. In our case that was a Rockwood Mini Lite 2509S. It's right at 26' hitch to bumper. From the dealership with no stuff other than 2 full 30lb propane tanks and 2 batteries it weighed 5300lbs. My tongue weight on a sherline scale was just a tick over 700lbs. Using an Equal-I-Zer hitch with 10,000lb bars it tows very well. I definitely know it's there, I definitely feel semis passing me. I came to the same conclusions you did although I limited myself to under 30 feet total. I'm glad I did. I feel comfortable towing my camper.

If I had a car to drive daily I'd buy an F-250 in a heartbeat and never worry about it, but I like getting 20mpg and having a comfortable ride every day in my F-150. I also don't mind having a smaller camper as it's easier for me to maneuver and we only need the camper for sleeping and escaping the heat/rain.
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Pilot, great information. So, I searched the Ford database, and a local dealer had a stripped F250 XL 4x2 Scab 6.2 gas with 8' box (164" wb) sitting on their lot. I headed on over to get a look at the door jamb ratings. Yes, that reads 3,859 lbs. Even better, the price was $37.5k.



So, here's the conundrum: The F150 HDPP requires a special order, which means the dealer isn't going to want to negotiate. Ford lists the price @ $46k, which is what I think it would actually end up costing. Of course, forget ever trying to find one of these used - that's unicorn territory. The plus side is it's a F150 - no dispute about the much better ride. Plus, the 3.5 EB, 10 spd, etc. are all modern tech.

The F250 is, well it's a truck and rides like one. The 6.2 gas, 6 spd gets what, 10-12 mpg? OTOH, Ford blows out these stripped work trucks for a fair price, and dealers who have them sitting on their lots should be willing to deal. Last, but not least, this would be a 3rd vehicle, used for house projects and of course ** towing a 7,000 lbs travel trailer **.

As you described, and I have experienced in my current motor home, it just doesn't pay having a tiring, nervous experience when you're suppose to be relaxing.
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I’ve owned 3 low option 3/4 ton trucks and love them for the value. Mine get used for towing and weekend projects only so fuel economy and Cadillac ride doesn’t matter. Towing stability should be priority #1 not a compromise.
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