First towing trip and report 2016 Screw 4x4 2.7EB
10-02-2017, 06:37 PM
#1
First towing trip and report 2016 Screw 4x4 2.7EB
I installed my OEM TBC a few days ago, so I got a chance to tow my new to me 2013 26' Nash 23F trailer.
My TV = 2016 Screw 4x4 Sport 5.5 bed with 2.7EB and 3.55 axle, door label payload 1460
Add ons over stock
Bed cover 50 lbs
Sprayed in bed liner 40 lbs
Upsize tires 40lbs
Estimated working truck payload - 1330
4 passengers + dog - 620 lbs
no other gear, it was a one nighter for test
1330 - 620 passengers = 670 payload for left trailer tongue
Trailer = 4840 lbs dry, 420 lbs advertised dry hitch, 7000 gvwr
I used a WDH. I did not cat scale yet. We travelled super light, the two 60 lb propane tanks on front of trailer were empty. We had 2 batteries up front and only carried about 10 gallons of water, 4 blankets, 4 pillows, no pots, pans, luggage, tools, food, etc. Guessing max of 5100 and a tongue at 13% is 663, so right near my max oh my. I realize CAT weights would be more realistic, and I plan to get those this week.
Ambient temps were about 95F. I let tranny decide gears on tow/haul and I just kept the skinny pressed to stay at 65 mpg for the most part. Highway consisted of lots of rolling hills with a several 2 mile climbs at 6% grade. Tranny temp usually stayed between 205-215. Overall truck did ok, I guess better than I thought. Trailer tracked well. Tranny was in 5th gear on the flats, 4th with any incline at all, dropping to 3rd on any incline of slight significance and dropped to 2nd briefly on a couple of the starts of the 6% climbs.
This was first time to tow with this truck and so it was new feeling to see this truck RPMs jumping past my normal grandpa style driving. But overall the RPMs were fine, highest were approx 5K when it dropped to 2nd.
Conclusion, the truck could pull the weight ok, but I felt maxed out, but that is just a feeling. On the longer 6% grades, 65mph seemed about like all she really wanted to give. I didn't floor it to test it, but pedal response faded noticeably at those incline and speed parameters for this truck/trailer. On less incline and flats there was tons more power available.
I am at max payload wise now traveling this light and I definitely plan to carry more in the future so I will probably be going to a different truck for towing. Less load or less mountains could probably squeak by...
My TV = 2016 Screw 4x4 Sport 5.5 bed with 2.7EB and 3.55 axle, door label payload 1460
Add ons over stock
Bed cover 50 lbs
Sprayed in bed liner 40 lbs
Upsize tires 40lbs
Estimated working truck payload - 1330
4 passengers + dog - 620 lbs
no other gear, it was a one nighter for test
1330 - 620 passengers = 670 payload for left trailer tongue
Trailer = 4840 lbs dry, 420 lbs advertised dry hitch, 7000 gvwr
I used a WDH. I did not cat scale yet. We travelled super light, the two 60 lb propane tanks on front of trailer were empty. We had 2 batteries up front and only carried about 10 gallons of water, 4 blankets, 4 pillows, no pots, pans, luggage, tools, food, etc. Guessing max of 5100 and a tongue at 13% is 663, so right near my max oh my. I realize CAT weights would be more realistic, and I plan to get those this week.
Ambient temps were about 95F. I let tranny decide gears on tow/haul and I just kept the skinny pressed to stay at 65 mpg for the most part. Highway consisted of lots of rolling hills with a several 2 mile climbs at 6% grade. Tranny temp usually stayed between 205-215. Overall truck did ok, I guess better than I thought. Trailer tracked well. Tranny was in 5th gear on the flats, 4th with any incline at all, dropping to 3rd on any incline of slight significance and dropped to 2nd briefly on a couple of the starts of the 6% climbs.
This was first time to tow with this truck and so it was new feeling to see this truck RPMs jumping past my normal grandpa style driving. But overall the RPMs were fine, highest were approx 5K when it dropped to 2nd.
Conclusion, the truck could pull the weight ok, but I felt maxed out, but that is just a feeling. On the longer 6% grades, 65mph seemed about like all she really wanted to give. I didn't floor it to test it, but pedal response faded noticeably at those incline and speed parameters for this truck/trailer. On less incline and flats there was tons more power available.
I am at max payload wise now traveling this light and I definitely plan to carry more in the future so I will probably be going to a different truck for towing. Less load or less mountains could probably squeak by...
10-02-2017, 08:00 PM
#2
Same truck with the 3.5 would run up those grades with that light a trailer. Still amazing how much power that little engine can do.
10-02-2017, 08:37 PM
#3
Interesting your take is not enough power. I had one with a 7000 trailer and felt I had plenty of power on tap. Even on inclines. I was more concerned with the stability of the rig.
10-02-2017, 10:28 PM
#5
Sounds like an honest and accurate report. No doubt, you need more truck if you want to travel with water and all the gear people usually want to camp with.
10-03-2017, 09:25 AM
#6
I-70 in Vail is a 7% grade, and going the other direction to the Tunnel is a 6% grade. The 3.5 can pull that grade with 3.15 gearing doing the speed limit with 6300 pounds on the bumper. Needs extra cooling though, mine overheated doing that, though it was in the high 90's.
10-03-2017, 09:44 AM
#7
Senior Member
Also note the taller tires isn't helping the situation.
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10-03-2017, 10:13 AM
#9
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I installed my OEM TBC a few days ago, so I got a chance to tow my new to me 2013 26' Nash 23F trailer.
My TV = 2016 Screw 4x4 Sport 5.5 bed with 2.7EB and 3.55 axle, door label payload 1460
Add ons over stock
Bed cover 50 lbs
Sprayed in bed liner 40 lbs
Upsize tires 40lbs
Estimated working truck payload - 1330
4 passengers + dog - 620 lbs
no other gear, it was a one nighter for test
1330 - 620 passengers = 670 payload for left trailer tongue
Trailer = 4840 lbs dry, 420 lbs advertised dry hitch, 7000 gvwr
I used a WDH. I did not cat scale yet. We travelled super light, the two 60 lb propane tanks on front of trailer were empty. We had 2 batteries up front and only carried about 10 gallons of water, 4 blankets, 4 pillows, no pots, pans, luggage, tools, food, etc. Guessing max of 5100 and a tongue at 13% is 663, so right near my max oh my. I realize CAT weights would be more realistic, and I plan to get those this week.
Ambient temps were about 95F. I let tranny decide gears on tow/haul and I just kept the skinny pressed to stay at 65 mpg for the most part. Highway consisted of lots of rolling hills with a several 2 mile climbs at 6% grade. Tranny temp usually stayed between 205-215. Overall truck did ok, I guess better than I thought. Trailer tracked well. Tranny was in 5th gear on the flats, 4th with any incline at all, dropping to 3rd on any incline of slight significance and dropped to 2nd briefly on a couple of the starts of the 6% climbs.
This was first time to tow with this truck and so it was new feeling to see this truck RPMs jumping past my normal grandpa style driving. But overall the RPMs were fine, highest were approx 5K when it dropped to 2nd.
Conclusion, the truck could pull the weight ok, but I felt maxed out, but that is just a feeling. On the longer 6% grades, 65mph seemed about like all she really wanted to give. I didn't floor it to test it, but pedal response faded noticeably at those incline and speed parameters for this truck/trailer. On less incline and flats there was tons more power available.
I am at max payload wise now traveling this light and I definitely plan to carry more in the future so I will probably be going to a different truck for towing. Less load or less mountains could probably squeak by...
My TV = 2016 Screw 4x4 Sport 5.5 bed with 2.7EB and 3.55 axle, door label payload 1460
Add ons over stock
Bed cover 50 lbs
Sprayed in bed liner 40 lbs
Upsize tires 40lbs
Estimated working truck payload - 1330
4 passengers + dog - 620 lbs
no other gear, it was a one nighter for test
1330 - 620 passengers = 670 payload for left trailer tongue
Trailer = 4840 lbs dry, 420 lbs advertised dry hitch, 7000 gvwr
I used a WDH. I did not cat scale yet. We travelled super light, the two 60 lb propane tanks on front of trailer were empty. We had 2 batteries up front and only carried about 10 gallons of water, 4 blankets, 4 pillows, no pots, pans, luggage, tools, food, etc. Guessing max of 5100 and a tongue at 13% is 663, so right near my max oh my. I realize CAT weights would be more realistic, and I plan to get those this week.
Ambient temps were about 95F. I let tranny decide gears on tow/haul and I just kept the skinny pressed to stay at 65 mpg for the most part. Highway consisted of lots of rolling hills with a several 2 mile climbs at 6% grade. Tranny temp usually stayed between 205-215. Overall truck did ok, I guess better than I thought. Trailer tracked well. Tranny was in 5th gear on the flats, 4th with any incline at all, dropping to 3rd on any incline of slight significance and dropped to 2nd briefly on a couple of the starts of the 6% climbs.
This was first time to tow with this truck and so it was new feeling to see this truck RPMs jumping past my normal grandpa style driving. But overall the RPMs were fine, highest were approx 5K when it dropped to 2nd.
Conclusion, the truck could pull the weight ok, but I felt maxed out, but that is just a feeling. On the longer 6% grades, 65mph seemed about like all she really wanted to give. I didn't floor it to test it, but pedal response faded noticeably at those incline and speed parameters for this truck/trailer. On less incline and flats there was tons more power available.
I am at max payload wise now traveling this light and I definitely plan to carry more in the future so I will probably be going to a different truck for towing. Less load or less mountains could probably squeak by...
10-03-2017, 10:51 AM
#10
Nice. My TT is about 5k but shorter (20 foot), heavier because it's older. Tows just fine, plenty of power. Remember that the biggest thing is wind resistance. Doing 50 mph is a huge difference compared to doing 60. At 50, the mileage is WAY better and it stays in 6th all the time.
Not sure if it's the angle of the pic, but it looks like you need to tighten up your bars on your hitch. The front fender seems higher than the rear, which is not good.
Also, what does the sticker in your door jamb say for payload? What you stated seems low. I have a similar truck but with a moonroof and 3.73 gears and my payload is 1675.
Not sure if it's the angle of the pic, but it looks like you need to tighten up your bars on your hitch. The front fender seems higher than the rear, which is not good.
Also, what does the sticker in your door jamb say for payload? What you stated seems low. I have a similar truck but with a moonroof and 3.73 gears and my payload is 1675.