F150 Hitch Reciever Capacity
01-06-2018, 05:41 PM
#11
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If I remember correctly the payload sticker is the actual weight of the truck plus a full tank of fuel. Anything added at that point must be subtracted from the payload number on the sticker including driver weight. If you check the towing guide and subtract TWR from GCWR you get the minimum gvw the truck could possibly weigh with the required equipment and the 300 lbs driver and passenger.
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Simnut (01-06-2018)
01-06-2018, 06:27 PM
#12
If I remember correctly the payload sticker is the actual weight of the truck plus a full tank of fuel. Anything added at that point must be subtracted from the payload number on the sticker including driver weight. If you check the towing guide and subtract TWR from GCWR you get the minimum gvw the truck could possibly weigh with the required equipment and the 300 lbs driver and passenger.
A “guide” is just that. J2807 is a SAE test with requirements. After passing the J2807, the “guide” can be writen. My 5.0L F-150 has a sticker on the receiver stating maximum TWR of 11,000lbs and thats is higher then what is listed in the guide” (10,600lbs). If I tow a 11,000lb trailer am I over on GCWR? Yep. So none of it makes any sense. Yes, its a tangled web of crap. Keep the TV under GVW and everything will be good. GVW is most important.
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Simnut (01-06-2018)
01-06-2018, 06:42 PM
#13
A receiver/hitch usually has a rating sticker independent of the truck rating. You will see these on aftermarket hitches which reflects the rating according to SAE 684 test requirements. Just like for 2018 Ford gives every hitch a maximum rating of 1320/13200 for WD towing, it doesn’t mean every truck can tow that much. You can’t install a new fifth wheel hitch with a 20k rating and say that’s my new trailer weight rating.
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01-06-2018, 07:04 PM
#14
A “guide” is just that. J2807 is a SAE test with requirements. After passing the J2807, the “guide” can be writen. My 5.0L F-150 has a sticker on the receiver stating maximum TWR of 11,000lbs and thats is higher then what is listed in the guide” (10,600lbs). If I tow a 11,000lb trailer am I over on GCWR? Yep. So none of it makes any sense. Yes, its a tangled web of crap. Keep the TV under GVW and everything will be good. GVW is most important.
01-06-2018, 07:11 PM
#15
A receiver/hitch usually has a rating sticker independent of the truck rating. You will see these on aftermarket hitches which reflects the rating according to SAE 684 test requirements. Just like for 2018 Ford gives every hitch a maximum rating of 1320/13200 for WD towing, it doesn’t mean every truck can tow that much. You can’t install a new fifth wheel hitch with a 20k rating and say that’s my new trailer weight rating.
My factory receiver states 11,000lbs on the factory laid sticker. Yes i understand just cuz an aftermarket hitch has a label on it does not mean thats a tow rating. But when a factory laid sticker has a rating, it should coordinate with the trucks capability. It does not in my trucks case according to the guide.
01-06-2018, 07:26 PM
#16
Ford I think goes against the industry standard on how a hitch/receiver is labeled. It should have its maximum rated load capacity derived from the SAE j684 test, not the trucks rated capacity. Here’s a shot from the actual j684 standard on labeling. Maximum GVWR and vertical tongue weight on the sticker should almost always exceed the trucks rating.
01-06-2018, 09:24 PM
#17
Senior Member
Ford I think goes against the industry standard on how a hitch/receiver is labeled. It should have its maximum rated load capacity derived from the SAE j684 test, not the trucks rated capacity. Here’s a shot from the actual j684 standard on labeling. Maximum GVWR and vertical tongue weight on the sticker should almost always exceed the trucks rating.
Question though. That "vertical" weight rating is tongue weight..right? With or without a WDH?
Kind of a trick question actually. The tongue weight never changes...with or with out a WDH. So, that maximum to me would be just that....vertical weight. If it can handle 1000 lbs tongue weight, I'm really leaning the way that it will handle it without a WDH also.What does the WDH do then? It's determines where that tongue weight is applied to the ground. The key is in the name of the hitch
Do you need one then if you are within all your vehicle weights? In certain towing setups...no. As in my equipment trailer. But, with my travel trailer....you dang tooting I use a WDH! If anything....for help in sway control towing a big sail like that! 
01-06-2018, 09:55 PM
#20
Ford's hitch/receiver can't meet SAE spec because J684A limits automotive hitch couplings to 1.5k lbs hitch weight/10k lbs trailer GVWR. Ford doesn't want us putting that much weight on end of frame/limiting themselves to trailers of that weight. Spec isn't scheduled to be reviewed until 2019, but those limits haven't changed from my '74 version of the spec.
That being said, Ford stamps their logo into the hitch; part number; and label for trailer GVWR - 13.2k lbs for '18s and weight - 1,320lbs, again for '18, albeit with caveat that WDH must be used, so meeting all the requirements of J684A section 6.4. The sticker is the rating of the hitch, not the truck, just like aftermarket.
J2807 was an attempt to put some sanity into the marketing department (no, empty fuel tanks, 90 lb drivers, etc) Ford is stretching truth - SAE spec is supposed to be for a truck configured with standard options and place 150 lb individual in every seat*. Given Ford mostly sells Lariat's and above, using an XL with rear seat delete option is deceptive at best. Even the owner's manual isn't much help - too much "if properly equipped; give us 10 pages: body, 2/4wd, engine, axle ratio & trim.
Eurojet from a couple day's back would have been much happier to be able to look in owner's manual and see his 2.7 EB SCrew was limited to <600lbs hitch after removing 750lbs from payload for passengers, the standard options for his level trim and the WDH hitch would equate to ~5,750lbs trailer at 10%*. Of course, that makes selling truck much harder when, to get the trailer towing desired, the user has to get a rough riding HDPP/can't get the high level trim.
SAE camper requirement requires someone in every seat & requires standard options, so really punishes Scabs/Screws versus the old RC - 2,500lb payload SCrews can't support 1,800lb campers, and that removes most of market.
*On the flip side, trailer manufacturers are supposed to quote ready to roll weights for J2807 too (batteries, full propane tanks, fresh water tank full, std amount of luggage per sleeping location, etc). But they don't like the spec so much yet, so continue to quote dry weights.
That being said, Ford stamps their logo into the hitch; part number; and label for trailer GVWR - 13.2k lbs for '18s and weight - 1,320lbs, again for '18, albeit with caveat that WDH must be used, so meeting all the requirements of J684A section 6.4. The sticker is the rating of the hitch, not the truck, just like aftermarket.
J2807 was an attempt to put some sanity into the marketing department (no, empty fuel tanks, 90 lb drivers, etc) Ford is stretching truth - SAE spec is supposed to be for a truck configured with standard options and place 150 lb individual in every seat*. Given Ford mostly sells Lariat's and above, using an XL with rear seat delete option is deceptive at best. Even the owner's manual isn't much help - too much "if properly equipped; give us 10 pages: body, 2/4wd, engine, axle ratio & trim.
Eurojet from a couple day's back would have been much happier to be able to look in owner's manual and see his 2.7 EB SCrew was limited to <600lbs hitch after removing 750lbs from payload for passengers, the standard options for his level trim and the WDH hitch would equate to ~5,750lbs trailer at 10%*. Of course, that makes selling truck much harder when, to get the trailer towing desired, the user has to get a rough riding HDPP/can't get the high level trim.
SAE camper requirement requires someone in every seat & requires standard options, so really punishes Scabs/Screws versus the old RC - 2,500lb payload SCrews can't support 1,800lb campers, and that removes most of market.
*On the flip side, trailer manufacturers are supposed to quote ready to roll weights for J2807 too (batteries, full propane tanks, fresh water tank full, std amount of luggage per sleeping location, etc). But they don't like the spec so much yet, so continue to quote dry weights.