engine cooling system for towing
07-20-2017, 10:51 AM
#1
engine cooling system for towing
So I punched in my vin on the Ford Site to see if I indeed had the towing package.
I found "with Super Engine Cooling System" but that's all it said. any ideas what exactly that means?
I found "with Super Engine Cooling System" but that's all it said. any ideas what exactly that means?
07-20-2017, 01:11 PM
#2
Grumpy Old Man
Super engine cooling radiator means you shouldn't have any problem with engine cooling. But it doesn't tell you about the tranny cooling system. The OTW tranny cooler in the radiator was standard, but it's not good enough for towing more than a rowboat.
Your dealer's service department can input your VIN to the Ford diag system and print out a "build sheet" that will list all the standard and optional equipment your truck was assembled with at the assembly plant. Including which, if any, towing pkg you have. There were several options for towing package, depending on year and trim level of your Ford. (2011-up F-150 with Lariat or better trim have the regular towing pkg standard, with the max tow pkg as an option.)
XL with no options had only the ball mount in the rear step bumper, plus the OTW tranny cooler in the radiator. Optional was the receiver hitch with trailer plug, but nothing else. Next step up was the regular towing pkg, with receiver hitch with trailer plug, Select-shift tranny, OTA tranny cooler, and upgraded front stabilizer bar. And finally the max towing pkg, which adds 3.55 electronic-locking rear axle, 36-gallon gas tank, and a slightly-heavier-duty receiver with a bit more weight capacity. Ford calls that receiver an "upgraded rear bumper" because the receiver is part of the three-piece rear bumper. There are three part numbers for the center section of the rear bumper. One with no receiver, another with the regular receiver that comes with the regular tow pkg or if you order only the receiver without a tow pkg, and the one that comes with the max tow pkg.
Most dealers will charge you at least something to print out a build sheet, unless you bought your F-150 from them. Common is a half-hour labor charge, but some want an hour labor charge. I don't know how to get a build sheet without access to the dealer's diag software.
07-20-2017, 03:23 PM
#3
Senior Member
or enter your VIN in etis and it will give you every detail of the build of your truck:
https://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do
once you've entered your VIN, click on "minor features" on the right for every detail. Here's an example:
Medium Earth Gray Interior
Front Door Scuff Plate - MIC
With Front Fascia - Level 2
Less Bed Divider
Decal - FX4
My Key
With Conventional Tailgate
Less Tailgate Applique
Less Second Unit Body Covers
With 6.5' Styleside Box
Less Pickup Box Extender
Less Load Box Bedliner
Less Bed Ramps
With Base Payload Package
157"/3989MM Wheelbase
XLT/Family Carrier
(-) Version Packages
Dearborn Plant Build
Less Special Equipment Package
With Off Road Equipment Package
7050 LB. GVW
Less Appearance Group
F150 Sales Badge
Less Special Value Packages
Less Ambient Temp/Speed Pack
Feature Content Group 2
Less Tailgate Badges
English/French NAS Language Label
English NAS Owner Handbook
Less Water Wading Equipment
Less Tailgate Badges-2nd Level
Equipment Package 6
Less Outbound Modification Cnt
Less Fuel Label
With Power Front Windows
With Electric Rear Windows
With Privacy Glass
With Fixed Rear Window
With Heated Rear Window
With Medium Length Overhead Console
Less Floor Mounted Console
Less Floor Mat Kit
Adjustable Accl/Brake Foot Pedals
Interior Trim Accent Pack B
Front Floor Carpet Mats
Rear Floor Carpet Mats
With Carpet Floor Covering
Non Illuminated Sunvisor - Drivers
Non Illuminated Sunvisor-Passenger
Less Running Boards
With Bright Front Grille
Less Exterior Wheel Lip Moulding
With Black Belt Moulding
Less Side Auxiliary Step
Electric Operated Rear View Mirror
Dual Power Htd Signal Mirrors
With Black Exterior Mirror
With Driver Seat Back Map Pocket
Passenger Seat Back Map Pocket
Front Seat Armrest/Stowage
With Rear Under Seat Stowage Bin
With Front 4 Way Headrest
Less Rear Seat Centre Armrest
With Drivers Power Lumbar Support
With Passengers Man Lumbar Support
Less Multi - Contour Seats
Less Temp Control Driver Seat
Less Temp Control Passengers Seat
Less Rear Heated Seat
2 Row-H/Ser Flip Up W/Elon Cushion
With Driver 8 Way Pwr.Seat Adjuster
With Pass 2 Way Manual Seat Adjust
With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
With Front Towing Hook
Trailer Tow Lighting Module
Cleat Tie-Down Kit B
Ecoboost Badge 1
Exterior Door Handle - Black
Double Cab (3/4 Door)
With Moulded Gearshift ****
Less Remote Controlled Tailgate Rel
Frequency - 315MHZ
Power Locks W/Auto Lock - Relock
Door Entry R/Cont Unit - Flip Key
Keyless Entry-Illum Pad & Fob
With Variable Intermittent Windscreen Wiper
Less Sun Roof
Less Tu-Tone Accent Colour
Less Body Tu-Tone Paint
Front Bumper - Steel Chromed
Rear Bumper - Steel Chromed
With Front Licence Plate Bracket
Side Air Bag - 1st & 2nd row
With Standard Rear Seat Belts
With Steel Spare Wheel
Tyre Pressure Sensors - 315 MHZ
Premium Off Road Frt Shock Absrbers
Premium Off Road Rr Shock Absorbers
7.5X17" Cast Alloy Mach Bright Whl
Spare Tyre - LT245/70R17E BSW A/T
With Centre Hub Ornament-Ford Oval
With Bright Wheel Lug Nuts
Pro Trailer Backup Assist
Immersion Heater-110V
Standard Electric Starter Motor
Less Remote Starter
With 49 State/Non Green State Req
Emission Compliance - USA
3.55
Less Elect Locking Differential
With 9.75" Axle
3.5L V6 GTDI
Single Exhaust
Less Exhaust Pipe Extension
With Mechanical Parking Brake
With 4 Wheel Disc-Brake
Less Brake Control Valve
With Hill Descent Control
Normal Fuel Fill
Column Shift
Select Shift Tech (SST) W/Thm Swtc
Electric Trans Case With IWE'S
With Skid Plates
Extended Range Single Fuel Tank
For Unleaded Fuel
Less Gaseous Prep Pack
Steering Col-Man Tilt/Tele-Col Shf
With Locking Steering Column
Leather Steering Wheel
Less Heated Steering Wheel
With Speed Control
With KMH/MPH Speedometer
Dual Note Electric Horn - Level 2
Outside Temp Thermometer
With Compass Display
MFD High TFT Screen
Less Navigation System
Customer Info Display-Package 2
Less Revers Gear Alarm
Less Speed Audible Warning Device
Less Blind Spot Information System
Less Lane Keeping Aid
Human Machine Interface 2
With Perimeter Anti-Theft
Less Rear Parking Aid
Less Automated Parking System
Less Power Convertor
With Satellite Radio Reception
With NAAO Radio Frequency
Mid Audio + CD + Sdars
Less ICE Noise Reduction
With 7 Speakers
Less Radio Subwoofer
With Media Gateway Module
Less Garage Door Opener
Less Smokers Package
Rear View Camera-Fixed
Less Specialty Packages
Less Auxillary Lights
With Level 1 Headlamps
With Daytime Running Lamps
With Front Fog Lamps
Less Spot Light
Less Right Hand Spot Light
Less Lighting Packages
Less Interior Light Group
Tail lamps - Level 1
High Mounted Stp Lmp W/Cargo Light
Trailer Hook Up Light-Fixed
With Auto Headlamp Plus Wiper
Oxford White
Generic Country Group 2
150 Series
FL34-5310-TA* L/F Coil Spring
FL34-5310-TA* R/F Coil Spring
FL34-5560-C* L/R Leaf Springs
FL34-5560-C* R/R Leaf Springs
6 Speed Automatic Trans (6R80)
F-150
(-) GVMT Service Administration
(-)"USA"
(-) "Wallis & Futuna"
(-)"GU"
(-)"BRN"
(-)"BZ"
(-)"ATG"
(-)"NCL"
(-)"AW"
https://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do
once you've entered your VIN, click on "minor features" on the right for every detail. Here's an example:
Medium Earth Gray Interior
Front Door Scuff Plate - MIC
With Front Fascia - Level 2
Less Bed Divider
Decal - FX4
My Key
With Conventional Tailgate
Less Tailgate Applique
Less Second Unit Body Covers
With 6.5' Styleside Box
Less Pickup Box Extender
Less Load Box Bedliner
Less Bed Ramps
With Base Payload Package
157"/3989MM Wheelbase
XLT/Family Carrier
(-) Version Packages
Dearborn Plant Build
Less Special Equipment Package
With Off Road Equipment Package
7050 LB. GVW
Less Appearance Group
F150 Sales Badge
Less Special Value Packages
Less Ambient Temp/Speed Pack
Feature Content Group 2
Less Tailgate Badges
English/French NAS Language Label
English NAS Owner Handbook
Less Water Wading Equipment
Less Tailgate Badges-2nd Level
Equipment Package 6
Less Outbound Modification Cnt
Less Fuel Label
With Power Front Windows
With Electric Rear Windows
With Privacy Glass
With Fixed Rear Window
With Heated Rear Window
With Medium Length Overhead Console
Less Floor Mounted Console
Less Floor Mat Kit
Adjustable Accl/Brake Foot Pedals
Interior Trim Accent Pack B
Front Floor Carpet Mats
Rear Floor Carpet Mats
With Carpet Floor Covering
Non Illuminated Sunvisor - Drivers
Non Illuminated Sunvisor-Passenger
Less Running Boards
With Bright Front Grille
Less Exterior Wheel Lip Moulding
With Black Belt Moulding
Less Side Auxiliary Step
Electric Operated Rear View Mirror
Dual Power Htd Signal Mirrors
With Black Exterior Mirror
With Driver Seat Back Map Pocket
Passenger Seat Back Map Pocket
Front Seat Armrest/Stowage
With Rear Under Seat Stowage Bin
With Front 4 Way Headrest
Less Rear Seat Centre Armrest
With Drivers Power Lumbar Support
With Passengers Man Lumbar Support
Less Multi - Contour Seats
Less Temp Control Driver Seat
Less Temp Control Passengers Seat
Less Rear Heated Seat
2 Row-H/Ser Flip Up W/Elon Cushion
With Driver 8 Way Pwr.Seat Adjuster
With Pass 2 Way Manual Seat Adjust
With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
With Front Towing Hook
Trailer Tow Lighting Module
Cleat Tie-Down Kit B
Ecoboost Badge 1
Exterior Door Handle - Black
Double Cab (3/4 Door)
With Moulded Gearshift ****
Less Remote Controlled Tailgate Rel
Frequency - 315MHZ
Power Locks W/Auto Lock - Relock
Door Entry R/Cont Unit - Flip Key
Keyless Entry-Illum Pad & Fob
With Variable Intermittent Windscreen Wiper
Less Sun Roof
Less Tu-Tone Accent Colour
Less Body Tu-Tone Paint
Front Bumper - Steel Chromed
Rear Bumper - Steel Chromed
With Front Licence Plate Bracket
Side Air Bag - 1st & 2nd row
With Standard Rear Seat Belts
With Steel Spare Wheel
Tyre Pressure Sensors - 315 MHZ
Premium Off Road Frt Shock Absrbers
Premium Off Road Rr Shock Absorbers
7.5X17" Cast Alloy Mach Bright Whl
Spare Tyre - LT245/70R17E BSW A/T
With Centre Hub Ornament-Ford Oval
With Bright Wheel Lug Nuts
Pro Trailer Backup Assist
Immersion Heater-110V
Standard Electric Starter Motor
Less Remote Starter
With 49 State/Non Green State Req
Emission Compliance - USA
3.55
Less Elect Locking Differential
With 9.75" Axle
3.5L V6 GTDI
Single Exhaust
Less Exhaust Pipe Extension
With Mechanical Parking Brake
With 4 Wheel Disc-Brake
Less Brake Control Valve
With Hill Descent Control
Normal Fuel Fill
Column Shift
Select Shift Tech (SST) W/Thm Swtc
Electric Trans Case With IWE'S
With Skid Plates
Extended Range Single Fuel Tank
For Unleaded Fuel
Less Gaseous Prep Pack
Steering Col-Man Tilt/Tele-Col Shf
With Locking Steering Column
Leather Steering Wheel
Less Heated Steering Wheel
With Speed Control
With KMH/MPH Speedometer
Dual Note Electric Horn - Level 2
Outside Temp Thermometer
With Compass Display
MFD High TFT Screen
Less Navigation System
Customer Info Display-Package 2
Less Revers Gear Alarm
Less Speed Audible Warning Device
Less Blind Spot Information System
Less Lane Keeping Aid
Human Machine Interface 2
With Perimeter Anti-Theft
Less Rear Parking Aid
Less Automated Parking System
Less Power Convertor
With Satellite Radio Reception
With NAAO Radio Frequency
Mid Audio + CD + Sdars
Less ICE Noise Reduction
With 7 Speakers
Less Radio Subwoofer
With Media Gateway Module
Less Garage Door Opener
Less Smokers Package
Rear View Camera-Fixed
Less Specialty Packages
Less Auxillary Lights
With Level 1 Headlamps
With Daytime Running Lamps
With Front Fog Lamps
Less Spot Light
Less Right Hand Spot Light
Less Lighting Packages
Less Interior Light Group
Tail lamps - Level 1
High Mounted Stp Lmp W/Cargo Light
Trailer Hook Up Light-Fixed
With Auto Headlamp Plus Wiper
Oxford White
Generic Country Group 2
150 Series
FL34-5310-TA* L/F Coil Spring
FL34-5310-TA* R/F Coil Spring
FL34-5560-C* L/R Leaf Springs
FL34-5560-C* R/R Leaf Springs
6 Speed Automatic Trans (6R80)
F-150
(-) GVMT Service Administration
(-)"USA"
(-) "Wallis & Futuna"
(-)"GU"
(-)"BRN"
(-)"BZ"
(-)"ATG"
(-)"NCL"
(-)"AW"
07-21-2017, 09:35 AM
#4
Super engine cooling radiator means you shouldn't have any problem with engine cooling. But it doesn't tell you about the tranny cooling system. The OTW tranny cooler in the radiator was standard, but it's not good enough for towing more than a rowboat.
Your dealer's service department can input your VIN to the Ford diag system and print out a "build sheet" that will list all the standard and optional equipment your truck was assembled with at the assembly plant. Including which, if any, towing pkg you have. There were several options for towing package, depending on year and trim level of your Ford. (2011-up F-150 with Lariat or better trim have the regular towing pkg standard, with the max tow pkg as an option.)
XL with no options had only the ball mount in the rear step bumper, plus the OTW tranny cooler in the radiator. Optional was the receiver hitch with trailer plug, but nothing else. Next step up was the regular towing pkg, with receiver hitch with trailer plug, Select-shift tranny, OTA tranny cooler, and upgraded front stabilizer bar. And finally the max towing pkg, which adds 3.55 electronic-locking rear axle, 36-gallon gas tank, and a slightly-heavier-duty receiver with a bit more weight capacity. Ford calls that receiver an "upgraded rear bumper" because the receiver is part of the three-piece rear bumper. There are three part numbers for the center section of the rear bumper. One with no receiver, another with the regular receiver that comes with the regular tow pkg or if you order only the receiver without a tow pkg, and the one that comes with the max tow pkg.
Most dealers will charge you at least something to print out a build sheet, unless you bought your F-150 from them. Common is a half-hour labor charge, but some want an hour labor charge. I don't know how to get a build sheet without access to the dealer's diag software.
Your dealer's service department can input your VIN to the Ford diag system and print out a "build sheet" that will list all the standard and optional equipment your truck was assembled with at the assembly plant. Including which, if any, towing pkg you have. There were several options for towing package, depending on year and trim level of your Ford. (2011-up F-150 with Lariat or better trim have the regular towing pkg standard, with the max tow pkg as an option.)
XL with no options had only the ball mount in the rear step bumper, plus the OTW tranny cooler in the radiator. Optional was the receiver hitch with trailer plug, but nothing else. Next step up was the regular towing pkg, with receiver hitch with trailer plug, Select-shift tranny, OTA tranny cooler, and upgraded front stabilizer bar. And finally the max towing pkg, which adds 3.55 electronic-locking rear axle, 36-gallon gas tank, and a slightly-heavier-duty receiver with a bit more weight capacity. Ford calls that receiver an "upgraded rear bumper" because the receiver is part of the three-piece rear bumper. There are three part numbers for the center section of the rear bumper. One with no receiver, another with the regular receiver that comes with the regular tow pkg or if you order only the receiver without a tow pkg, and the one that comes with the max tow pkg.
Most dealers will charge you at least something to print out a build sheet, unless you bought your F-150 from them. Common is a half-hour labor charge, but some want an hour labor charge. I don't know how to get a build sheet without access to the dealer's diag software.
07-21-2017, 04:19 PM
#5
Quite a few folks on the Ecoboost forum are reporting overheating, even Max Tow trucks. Most of them are in extreme temperatures at altitude though(100F+ and 6000-7000+ feet.) I think its a tough engine to cool, especially since it doesnt/barely looses power as you go up in altitude. You are still burning just as much fuel but have 70-80% the cooling air density.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...-150-16613726/
My aftermarket Wagner charge air cooler drops intake air temps tremendously but it wasn't cheap. So far I have not went into the limp mode from engine temp being too high. I have towed 7000 lbs in over 100 degree temps in NM but wasn't pulling my fifth wheel.
07-26-2017, 12:37 PM
#6
ford printout specs for vin for my truck
Minor Features
- Steel Grey Interior
- Stone Cuffs-Front MIC Black
- With Rear Mic Black Stone Cuffs
- Less Hood Applique
- Decal - 4X4 Brilliant Silver
- Tailgate - With Flexible Step
- Less Second Unit Body Covers
- With 5.5' Styleside Box
- With Pick-Up Tie Hook - Inner
- Less Pickup Box Extender
- Less Load Box Bedliner
- With Base Payload Package
- 145"/3675MM Wheelbase
- XLT/Family Carrier
- Chrome Appearance Package
- Kansas City Plant Build
- Less Exterior Dress Up Package
- Less Appearance Group
- XLT Sales Badge
- Less Trim Pack
- Less Special Value Packages
- With Power Equipment Group
- Less Memory Package
- Feature Content Group 1
- With On-Board Diagnostic System
- For Normal Temperature Zones
- Less Luxury Package
- "US" Tailgate Badge
- With English Language Label
- Owner Hand Book Pack
- Less Tailgate Badges-2nd Level
- With Power Front Windows
- With Electric Rear Quarter Window
- With Privacy Glass
- With Power Sliding Rear Window
- With Heated Rear Window
- With Overhead Console Less Rail
- Full Floor Console With Armrest
- Floor Mat Kit Level 1
- Adjustable Accl/Brake Foot Pedals
- Front Floor Carpet Mats
- Rear Floor Carpet Mats
- With Carpet Floor Covering
- With Illuminated Sunvisor - Drivers
- With Illuminated Sunvisor-Passenger
- Running Board - Eliptical Chrome
- With Chrome Grille No.3
- Less Exterior Wheel Lip Moulding
- Less Rear Back Panel Applique
- Less Side Auxiliary Step
- With Electrochromic R/View Mirror
- With Driver Electric/Heated Mirror
- With Pass Convex Elec/Heated Mirror
- With Black Exterior Mirror
- With Signal Mirror System
- Less Adhesive Mirror Backing
- Less Temp Control Driver Seat
- Less Temp Control Passengers Seat
- Less Rear Heated Seat
- 2 Row-H/Ser Flip Up W/Elon Cushion
- Less 2nd Row Folding Armrests
- With Driver 6 Way Pwr.Seat Adjuster
- With Pass 2 Way Manual Seat Adjust
- With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
- With Chrome Front Tow Hooks
- Less Rear Towing Hooks
- Ext Door Hndl-Black & Chrome Insrt
- Double Cab (3/4 Door)
- Frequency - 315MHZ
- With Central Locking System
- With Door Entry Remote Control Unit
- With Keyless Entry System
- With Variable Intermittent Windscreen Wiper
- Less Sun Roof
- Less Moonroof Switch Open/Close
- Less Tu-Tone Accent Colour
- Less Body Tu-Tone Paint
- Fr Bumper Chromed With Lower Grille
- Rear Bumper - Steel Step - Chromed
- With Front Licence Plate Bracket
- Side Air Bag - 1st & 2nd row
- With 18" Steel Spare Wheel
- Tyre Pressure Sensors - 315 MHZ
- H/D Dual Front Shock Absorbers
- Heavy Duty Rear Shock Absorbers
- Spare Tyre Lock
- 18 X 7.5" Chrome Clad Wheel
- P275/65R18 A/T OWL
- Spare Tyre - P275/65R18 A/T OWL
- Market Road Condition - General
- With Super Engine Cooling System
- Less Immersion Heater
- Less Remote Starter
- With 49 State/Non Green State Req
- Less Performance Pack
- 3.31
- Less Rear Axle Limited Slip Diff
- With 9.75" Axle
- 3.5L V6 Petrol DOHC TI-VCT
- Single Exhaust
- With Chrome Exhaust Pipe Extension
- With 4 Wheel Disc-Brake
- Integrated Brake Control
- 4 Wheel Anti-Lock Braking System
- Less Hill Descent Control
- Roll Stability Control (RSC) Brakes
- Normal Fuel Fill
- Less Tracking System - FIA
- With Standard Transmissn Oil Cooler
- With Manual Shift Auto Trans
- Electric Trans Case With IWE'S
- Less Skid Plates
- Extended Range Single Fuel Tank
- Non Locking Capless Fuel Fill
- For Unleaded Fuel
- Less Gaseous Prep Pack
- With Electric Power Steering
- With Tilting Only Steering Column
- Steering Wheel-Leather Wrapped+CK 2
- With Speed Control
- Redundant Controls - Steering Wheel
- With MPH/KMH Speedometer
- With Tachometer
- Outside Temp Thermometer
- With Compass Display
- Less Navigation System
- Less Revers Gear Alarm
- With Reverse Proximity Sensor
- Human Machine Interface 3
- Extra Heavy Duty Battery
- Less Power Convertor
- AM/FM CD/Clock
- With Satellite Radio Reception
- With NAAO Radio Frequency
- Analogue Audio Broadcast
- Less Radio Subwoofer
- With Media Gateway Module
- Rear View Camera-Fixed
- With Halogen Headlamp
- Less Daytime Running Lamps
- With Bright Headlamps
- With Front Fog Lamps
- With Illuminated Entry
- Less Interior Light Group
- Tail lamps - Level 1
- With Automatic Headlamp On/Off
- Sterling Grey Metallic
- Generic Country Group 1
- 150 Series
- 4L34 5310 UA Left Front Coil
- 4L34 5310 UA Right Front Coil
- CL34-5560-A* Left/Rear Leaf Spring
- CL34-5560-A* Right/Rear Leaf Spring
- 6 Speed Automatic Trans (6R80)
- F150
- (-) GVMT Service Administration
- (-)"CDN"
- (-) "Wallis & Futuna"
- (-)"GU"
- (-)"BRN"
- (-)"BZ"
- (-)"ATG"
- (-)"NCL"
- (-)"AW"
07-26-2017, 12:39 PM
#7
so judging by this printout from ford for my vin. dealer (TT) doesn't seem to be lying? saying tt tow empty weight of 8200 lbs is doable. now I'm not going that heavy of course but just want to make sure I don't go "over" the weight limit with WDH for my f150.
Any input?'
Any input?'
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07-26-2017, 01:44 PM
#9
so judging by this printout from ford for my vin. dealer (TT) doesn't seem to be lying? saying tt tow empty weight of 8200 lbs is doable. now I'm not going that heavy of course but just want to make sure I don't go "over" the weight limit with WDH for my f150.
Any input?'
Any input?'
And with a TT coming in at 8200lbs DRY, I can all but guarantee you will be beyond the limits of the truck in terms of hitch weight and payload capacity unless you camp in that big 'ol thing alone.
The TT dealer is not your friend or advocate when it comes to helping you purchase a TT that is within the capability of your truck.