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Towing is not all about how fast you go, its how much you can pull up a grade at a reasonable speed.
What it most likely will be able to do is surpass the 5.0 up a mountain grade, might keep up with the EB, but should be able to at least do 60 on a 7%. Wont know until actual numbers come out.
Once it is on the Build and Price site, we will find out if it will be limited to certain packages like HDPP is in order to meet the payload ratings Ford claims.
This is perfect for those who do tow a lot, and those who like diesels, but don't want a Superduty, and those who do a lot of highway driving, but for the others, it would be a poor choice. I wouldn't mind one, it would be more efficient than my current truck, but until we know what maintenance costs are, its all a moot point.
New order guide dropped yesterdayUnfortunately HDPP no go with 3.0
It is mind boggling how many "can't get this with that" scenarios there are with F-150s. So much different than ordering a Superduty which is straight forward by comparison.
New order guide dropped yesterday Unfortunately HDPP no go with 3.0
I saw that. Also found out the engine is 150 pounds heavier than the 3.5, which means a truck optioned such as mine that has 1583 pounds of payload, would be knocked down to a payload of 1433 pounds. Unless Ford ups the GVWR of the diesel equipped trucks, its not going to be a viable option for most people who are looking to tow a travel, or large enclosed trailer.
I saw that. Also found out the engine is 150 pounds heavier than the 3.5, which means a truck optioned such as mine that has 1583 pounds of payload, would be knocked down to a payload of 1433 pounds. Unless Ford ups the GVWR of the diesel equipped trucks, its not going to be a viable option for most people who are looking to tow a travel, or large enclosed trailer.
That's not good news. My 1813 payload drops to 1663, which would likely make me overloaded on payload with my current trailer.
With the premium price for diesel fuel, I'm not sure it would make sense to buy it anyway.
I've been anxiously awaiting the release of the 3.0 diesel F150 since I heard the rumors last year. Now that it's here, I'm very disappointed unless they eventually offer it with the HDPP. I won't buy another half ton without the HD payload package, they run out of capacity too quickly. I don't tow overly heavy so any of the engine options have plenty of power, I was after the diesel for the fuel economy and the longevity. Start/Stop, in my opinion, is absolutely stupid to have on a diesel, no idea what they're thinking there... If they offer the diesel with the HDPP and on the XLT trim package, I'd be really interested. Until then, it's just another useless option for me.
I've been anxiously awaiting the release of the 3.0 diesel F150 since I heard the rumors last year. Now that it's here, I'm very disappointed unless they eventually offer it with the HDPP. I won't buy another half ton without the HD payload package, they run out of capacity too quickly. I don't tow overly heavy so any of the engine options have plenty of power, I was after the diesel for the fuel economy and the longevity. Start/Stop, in my opinion, is absolutely stupid to have on a diesel, no idea what they're thinking there... If they offer the diesel with the HDPP and on the XLT trim package, I'd be really interested. Until then, it's just another useless option for me.
I agree. My next F150 will not be a Lariat. It will most likely be an XLT. That alone rules out the diesel and then not having HDPP with it is also a nail in the coffin as I was likely going to go that route as well.
Maybe an HDPP 5.0 with a whipple lol. Those make 475 ft-lbs at 2500 rpm.
I agree. My next F150 will not be a Lariat. It will most likely be an XLT. That alone rules out the diesel and then not having HDPP with it is also a nail in the coffin as I was likely going to go that route as well.
Maybe an HDPP 5.0 with a whipple lol. Those make 475 ft-lbs at 2500 rpm.
mass-hole - I see, you meant at the wheels not at the crank. The EB is 470 at the crank. Those dyno charts you show are at the wheels - but nearly 425 stock on 87 is actually impressive at the wheels. Notice they never run 93 octane stock because it reveal that the gains from the tune aren't as much as they would like us to believe. Wouldn't be surprised if stock gets near 450 at the wheels on 93 based on the difference between their 87 tune and their 93 tune.
The 5.0 whipple looks great! only 9K for the super charger, a voided warrantee (and a higher chance of needing it), and inadequate cooling on the entire drive train to use the new found power continuously. Plus it would be a gas hog because superchargers don't really "turn off" the way turbos do under light load. Sweet deal! I'm just messing with you, I'd love to have a torque curve like that!
Last edited by Gladehound; 01-11-2018 at 10:57 PM.
mass-hole - I see, you meant at the wheels not at the crank. The EB is 470 at the crank. Those dyno charts you show are at the wheels - but nearly 425 stock on 87 is actually impressive at the wheels. Notice they never run 93 octane stock because it reveal that the gains from the tune aren't as much as they would like us to believe. Wouldn't be surprised if stock gets near 450 at the wheels on 93 based on the difference between their 87 tune and their 93 tune.
The 5.0 whipple looks great! only 9K for the super charger, a voided warrantee (and a higher chance of needing it), and inadequate cooling on the entire drive train to use the new found power continuously. Plus it would be a gas hog because superchargers don't really "turn off" the way turbos do under light load. Sweet deal! I'm just messing with you, I'd love to have a torque curve like that!
I agree. I know my mod limitations and the Ecoboost is the better choice as I can extract easy power from it with a simple tune. If I am gunna go drop 9k on something to make it fast it probably wont be a truck.
If you did go the 5.0 whipple route you dont have to use that HP though. it only takes so much to tow a trailer up a hill at 70 mph, it will just be a lot more accessible with a whipple. I've never used all the power the 3.5 has towing.
01-11-2018, 01:50 AM
I'm just messing with you, I'd love to have a torque curve like that!