Rainsfather

Go with long tubes. I don't actually think anybody makes shorties for our trucks. On newer vehicles with the work that is required to change headers its always best to go long tubes since shorties don't give hardly any gain and doing it twice when you realize that is not a fun experience.

mechanicboy

Ford makes shorties, they are take offs from the mustang lol. For $175 vs 1200-1600 for longtubes I think it's worth the extra work, to do it that way once that is.

Many in the mustang world believe most of the gains when longtubes are installed come from high-flow/removed cats. This is my research and I am open to reading yours if your research shows otherwise. That said I would still get longtubes if the price was more realistic.

Rainsfather

The mustang take offs do not fit our trucks with out serious modification which negates even using them. Why is using them so funny you needed to add "lol"? You are deffinetly the first person I have ever heard say that long tubes only give gains because of stock cat removal/replacement. That really doesnt make any sense, you can add high flow cats or remove them all together with either setup. Moddedmustangs.com <- use the search button there to look up differences between long tubes and shorties. I have been in the mustang racing world since the fox body, shorties are the way to go if 1. you can't pass emissions with long tubes 2. You are running a turbo setup (though I've seen it done with long tubes, it's just harder to do) 3. You can't afford long tubes. When trying to make power a long tube setup will always make more. Hopefully, just like in the mustang world, some company like pypes or OBX (yes, most of their stuff is crap, but the 4.6 3V has proven worthy) comes out with a less expensive long tube.

kent johnson

A member on here wrote a review of his experience installing gt takeoffs on his truck and it was a nite mare for him. Had to modify alot and not worth it.

f150man3.5

My point is. The aftermarket is not there yet. Sure you could spend a **** load of money for someone to one off everything. Or wait until engineered and proven performance hard parts are available. I understand your angle. There is alot of off the shelf parts for the 5oh, as of right now not so much for the eco. I would wait until some reputable companys put some packages together that are proven, before doing it to a nearly new truck let alone fairly new engine platform

mechanicboy

First, you can't compare what happened with older mustang to the current gen, they are too different to compare(even though I agree with some of what you said).
Second, don't lie about what I said because I said most of the gain, now it only gains because of removal of the cats because that is not true.
Third, it only requires minor modifications which was done by Boss5.0. I know because I have been talking to him and I am waiting for him to give me a shipping quote on his takeoffs.
Forth, I lol'd because the oem makes them. yes they are not a direct bolton in the truck body but they will work with a little modification. Anyone afraid of doing the work to make those headers work should never touch FI or anything inside the engine like came swaps.

Snoopjonnyjon

Don't the Mustang headers require heating the frame rail with a torch and collapsing it with a C-clamp? It's not that I am incapable of doing that... it just sounds like a hack job on a new truck, especially to add a pair marginally better OEM headers.

kent johnson

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Thats the point i was making

mechanicboy

That's a cakewalk, not major modifications. Heating and a small bend for saving $1000-1400 for what a couple more HP, I will take the heat!

Keep in mind our trucks do NOT have headers right now, we have cast manifolds. Keep in mind that the mustangs have more intake came duration meaning they have more air coming in which in turn means it has more that needs to escape. They will benefit more from longtubes than our trucks will and they are only seeing small gains with longtubes with highflow cats compared to stock headers with highflow cats. I'm not making assumptions here, this is dyno verified on the mustang.

Boss5.0 decided to add the boss intake, mustang GT intake cams and a stall converter on top of NOS so he felt the move from shorties to longtubes was justified. Keep in mind he's(edit, he was) spinning 7500rpm down the strip with 4.10 gears so he needs to move way more exhaust gas out than we need to.

f150man3.5

If i were a betting man. Headers will add some power over the cast manifolds. If your going through all the trouble of using take offs from the mustang......why not spwnd the extra dow on some headers made for your application. Imho