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Old 01-25-2014, 05:12 PM
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Hey guys, I have done a little searching around on the forum, but couldn't find a definitive answer about running e85. My question is, can I run e85 on one of my 5star tunes like a 93 octane or would I need to swap back to the stock tune to run e85? Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by Bdukes55
Hey guys, I have done a little searching around on the forum, but couldn't find a definitive answer about running e85. My question is, can I run e85 on one of my 5star tunes like a 93 octane or would I need to swap back to the stock tune to run e85? Thanks in advance!
pretty sure you would have to have the tune adjusted for e85. but i could be wrong.
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pretty sure you would have to have the tune adjusted for e85. but i could be wrong.
I figured this might be the case. I didn't know if the engine would still be able to adjust for the difference in fuel or if the tune blocked out those capabilities.
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I know this has been discussed before (search doesn't always get you the results you are looking for) so I'm sure someone will chime it, give it a bit.
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The tune must of the ethanol switch enable in order to run e85 properly. With that said, you should be able to add it to the tank and not screw anything up, you just won't see the performance gain you normally would by switching to ethanol. Getting a tune for ethanol fuel will yield some decent gains.

The reason for this is that our trucks have widebands which measure lambda so it will adjust for ethanol content automatically, as long as you don't run out of injector. Stoich as measured by lambda is 1.0 (as measured by the ecu) for both ethanol and gasoline. The factory injectors should be more than enough for basic bolts ons.

Example: My 2004 volvo s60 2.5T has a wideband on it and I'm currently running 50% e85 in the tank. It automatically corrects fueling via the lambda (wideband) sensor so it's perfectly safe as long as I don't run out of fuel (be it the pump, injector, fuel line size etc.). It does not have a tune.

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Originally Posted by Bdukes55
Hey guys, I have done a little searching around on the forum, but couldn't find a definitive answer about running e85. My question is, can I run e85 on one of my 5star tunes like a 93 octane or would I need to swap back to the stock tune to run e85? Thanks in advance!
Truck has to be tuned with e85. Unless you empty tanks completely it would be hard to do. I race mine at 50% e85/93. It was tuned that way. I put too much e85 last week in it and it bogged a lot, ran crappy.
12.11 at 115, Ocasioh, 2011 Screw 2wd, Roush phase 2, Long tube headers, 50% e85/93, MPT tuned, street tires

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The tune must of the ethanol switch enable in order to run e85 properly. With that said, you should be able to add it to the tank and not screw anything up, you just won't see the performance gain you normally would by switching to ethanol. Getting a tune for ethanol fuel will yield some decent gains. The reason for this is that our trucks have widebands which measure lambda so it will adjust for ethanol content automatically, as long as you don't run out of injector. Stoich as measured by lambda is 1.0 (as measured by the ecu) for both ethanol and gasoline. The factory injectors should be more than enough for basic bolts ons. Example: My 2004 volvo s60 2.5T has a wideband on it and I'm currently running 50% e85 in the tank. It automatically corrects fueling via the lambda (wideband) sensor so it's perfectly safe as long as I don't run out of fuel (be it the pump, injector, fuel line size etc.). It does not have a tune.
Thanks for the answer. That is about what I figured. I just figured I might play around with a little e85 sometime and wanted to get a little better knowledge before I did. Honestly I'm getting a little bored with the truck as it is, but don't want to spend any money at the time for mods because I am saving up for a supercharger! Have been reading up on a lot of your stuff here lately, and your truck is quite impressive! May have some questions for you as it gets closer to time for me to make my purchase.
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Originally Posted by ocasio0727
Truck has to be tuned with e85. Unless you empty tanks completely it would be hard to do. I race mine at 50% e85/93. It was tuned that way. I put too much e85 last week in it and it bogged a lot, ran crappy. 12.11 at 115, Ocasioh, 2011 Screw 2wd, Roush phase 2, Long tube headers, 50% e85/93, MPT tuned, street tires
Thanks for the info! I can't imagine going 12.11 in a screw f150. Bet that's a heck of a ride!
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Originally Posted by Bdukes55
Thanks for the info! I can't imagine going 12.11 in a screw f150. Bet that's a heck of a ride!
After about 6 pulls you are used to it and it doesn't phase u lol
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Originally Posted by Youngone2012
After about 6 pulls you are used to it and it doesn't phase u lol
That's because you did it everyday! I drive like a grandpa so I still get the rush when I put the hammer down!

For the record, I don't change tunes when adding ethanol, the computer compensates automatically, like I said before.



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