Are 2014 ecoboosts still having issues?
03-03-2014, 10:08 AM
#21
SuthernF150
MIKE Ups review was awful....
3.5 eco is much quicker off the line and with the low end... also there isnt really any turbo lag because it is a twin set up which basically eliminates it.... Im coming from a supercharged 5.4 pushing over 400rwhp and 500rwtq and the eco is faster...
only downsides i have experienced is it is quiet. which i dont like and also the gas mileage is not eco... but i kinda new that already.... also to increase power, mileage, and drivability a quick 400$ tune will make you miles ahead of the 5.0 in power, shifting and towing. you would have to add a supercharger or turbo set up to have any chance at keeping up with the eco... all engines have their issues, people talk about issues not posting about how their engine doesnt blow... either choice is good, just depends on your needs
3.5 eco is much quicker off the line and with the low end... also there isnt really any turbo lag because it is a twin set up which basically eliminates it.... Im coming from a supercharged 5.4 pushing over 400rwhp and 500rwtq and the eco is faster...
only downsides i have experienced is it is quiet. which i dont like and also the gas mileage is not eco... but i kinda new that already.... also to increase power, mileage, and drivability a quick 400$ tune will make you miles ahead of the 5.0 in power, shifting and towing. you would have to add a supercharger or turbo set up to have any chance at keeping up with the eco... all engines have their issues, people talk about issues not posting about how their engine doesnt blow... either choice is good, just depends on your needs
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03-03-2014, 11:20 AM
#22
MIKE Ups review was awful....
3.5 eco is much quicker off the line and with the low end... also there isnt really any turbo lag because it is a twin set up which basically eliminates it.... Im coming from a supercharged 5.4 pushing over 400rwhp and 500rwtq and the eco is faster...
only downsides i have experienced is it is quiet. which i dont like and also the gas mileage is not eco... but i kinda new that already.... also to increase power, mileage, and drivability a quick 400$ tune will make you miles ahead of the 5.0 in power, shifting and towing. you would have to add a supercharger or turbo set up to have any chance at keeping up with the eco... all engines have their issues, people talk about issues not posting about how their engine doesnt blow... either choice is good, just depends on your needs
3.5 eco is much quicker off the line and with the low end... also there isnt really any turbo lag because it is a twin set up which basically eliminates it.... Im coming from a supercharged 5.4 pushing over 400rwhp and 500rwtq and the eco is faster...
only downsides i have experienced is it is quiet. which i dont like and also the gas mileage is not eco... but i kinda new that already.... also to increase power, mileage, and drivability a quick 400$ tune will make you miles ahead of the 5.0 in power, shifting and towing. you would have to add a supercharger or turbo set up to have any chance at keeping up with the eco... all engines have their issues, people talk about issues not posting about how their engine doesnt blow... either choice is good, just depends on your needs
here is what i get with mine (and i have owned both). the EB is somewhat slow off the line if you drive it normal. if you are dropping the hammer from light to light and in boost then yeah its got the power(boost). but normal driving in a city with mine the EB is a bit sluggish until the turbos kick in... i can really feel them at around 1900-2k rpms... which is also according to my obdII device is when they are hitting boost.
the 5.0 was a little better driving normally through town. towing is a little different as you are using more throttle and are into more boost.
03-03-2014, 01:45 PM
#23
Boost :)
MIKE Ups review was awful.... 3.5 eco is much quicker off the line and with the low end... also there isnt really any turbo lag because it is a twin set up which basically eliminates it.... Im coming from a supercharged 5.4 pushing over 400rwhp and 500rwtq and the eco is faster... only downsides i have experienced is it is quiet. which i dont like and also the gas mileage is not eco... but i kinda new that already.... also to increase power, mileage, and drivability a quick 400$ tune will make you miles ahead of the 5.0 in power, shifting and towing. you would have to add a supercharger or turbo set up to have any chance at keeping up with the eco... all engines have their issues, people talk about issues not posting about how their engine doesnt blow... either choice is good, just depends on your needs
Sizing both the compressor and exhaust wheels on top of the A/R ratio on the exhaust side is what will or won't reduce lag. This is even more crucial and vital on a twin, non sequential, turbo setup. The EB setup is simple. Two turbos, 3 cylinders driving each one. No sequential complications to worry about and extra actuators and all the other craziness that comes from that type of setup. Ford did an exceptional job in getting this all setup correctly on the EB. I had a 2011 and now have a 2013 with the slightly larger turbos and love them both.
And to elaborate on the "lag" that people, albeit uninformed, seem to think the truck has, is actually the DBW system and delay in throttle response that Ford has built into the stock setup and tune. I don't have a clue why they chose to make it this way, but it gives the illusion of turbo lag that just isn't there. If you look at the compressor maps of the turbos (assuming you know how to read one) you can easily see that the lag just isn't going to be there given the throttle adjustments could be made to the stock tune. That's where the custom tunes come in.
The MPT tune I have completely eliminates that perceived lag. The second you touch the throttle, in any gear, at any speed, even sitting still, you will instantly have boost. The Torque app I use confirms this everytime I touch the go pedal. The tip in throttle response is phenomenal and is almost a little too responsive at times. This exposes and goes to show exactly what the engine is capable of and how it should exactly perform.
And to MikeUps, while I can understand your disbelief in the EB in general, to imply that people who do believe in it and buy it are stupid just shows the lack of professionalism and maturity you seem to have. It's one thing to have an educated and straight forward conversation or discussion about what someone prefers or believes over the other, but name calling and negativity you are spreading is a joke. I don't personally like or care for the 5.0 myself, but I have never once in nearly 4 years on this site, said one negative word about it. It's a V8 that many people enjoy and love and I am not about to spout mindless ramblings about it to either make myself feel better or more justified in my two EB purchases. That seems to be a common issue for some people on this forum and I have yet to have the slightest idea why. Why do you need to attempt to make someone feel bad or worse about something they did in order to make yourself feel better or more justified in what you did?
The engine has been out for 4 years and over 400,000 of them have been sold to date. Have their been issues? Absolutely there have been. Please show me an engine or drivetrain or new product of a manufacturer that doesn't. How many have had issues? What percentage of owners have issues? It's all a numbers game as far as any manufacturer is concerned and I would venture to bet that it is a VERY VERY small percentage overall of engines that have issues. I've had two personally, driven them both across the country and back a few times, and know of countless people who have them also without issue. That's a very small sample size but so is this forum or any other website you read. By and large the EB in the F-150 has proven to be an overall success as proven by Ford's continued support of it throughout their model lineup and going into the next generation of trucks and vehicles. It is further confirmed by each and EVERY truck manufacturer out there comparing their truck's lineup to the EB. The marketing and advertising people at those companies obviously know that the EB is a huge contender and is here to stay. If Mike or anyone else doesn't like it, thats fine, that's the beauty of the country we live in. But a lot of people on this site need to grow up, learn some respect, and just be happy with what they have and not be a keyboard warrior and spout information about things they obviously know nothing about.
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03-03-2014, 02:32 PM
#24
Senior Member
There was still plenty of condensation issues from forum members with the later model 2013's that had the newer larger turbos though. I still wouldn't trust the 3.5L Ecoboost until the problem is actually found, publicly acknowledged, repaired on older and current Ecoboost engines, and implemented on newer Ecoboost F150s.
Until then, I believe it's still a gamble, and I hate gambling.
Until then, I believe it's still a gamble, and I hate gambling.
03-03-2014, 03:21 PM
#25
While I agree that MikeUps review is ridiculous at best (so much misinformed information), being twin turbo doesn't have anything to do with eliminating or removing lag as you seem to imply that it does.
Sizing both the compressor and exhaust wheels on top of the A/R ratio on the exhaust side is what will or won't reduce lag. This is even more crucial and vital on a twin, non sequential, turbo setup. The EB setup is simple. Two turbos, 3 cylinders driving each one. No sequential complications to worry about and extra actuators and all the other craziness that comes from that type of setup. Ford did an exceptional job in getting this all setup correctly on the EB. I had a 2011 and now have a 2013 with the slightly larger turbos and love them both.
And to elaborate on the "lag" that people, albeit uninformed, seem to think the truck has, is actually the DBW system and delay in throttle response that Ford has built into the stock setup and tune. I don't have a clue why they chose to make it this way, but it gives the illusion of turbo lag that just isn't there. If you look at the compressor maps of the turbos (assuming you know how to read one) you can easily see that the lag just isn't going to be there given the throttle adjustments could be made to the stock tune. That's where the custom tunes come in.
The MPT tune I have completely eliminates that perceived lag. The second you touch the throttle, in any gear, at any speed, even sitting still, you will instantly have boost. The Torque app I use confirms this everytime I touch the go pedal. The tip in throttle response is phenomenal and is almost a little too responsive at times. This exposes and goes to show exactly what the engine is capable of and how it should exactly perform.
And to MikeUps, while I can understand your disbelief in the EB in general, to imply that people who do believe in it and buy it are stupid just shows the lack of professionalism and maturity you seem to have. It's one thing to have an educated and straight forward conversation or discussion about what someone prefers or believes over the other, but name calling and negativity you are spreading is a joke. I don't personally like or care for the 5.0 myself, but I have never once in nearly 4 years on this site, said one negative word about it. It's a V8 that many people enjoy and love and I am not about to spout mindless ramblings about it to either make myself feel better or more justified in my two EB purchases. That seems to be a common issue for some people on this forum and I have yet to have the slightest idea why. Why do you need to attempt to make someone feel bad or worse about something they did in order to make yourself feel better or more justified in what you did?
The engine has been out for 4 years and over 400,000 of them have been sold to date. Have their been issues? Absolutely there have been. Please show me an engine or drivetrain or new product of a manufacturer that doesn't. How many have had issues? What percentage of owners have issues? It's all a numbers game as far as any manufacturer is concerned and I would venture to bet that it is a VERY VERY small percentage overall of engines that have issues. I've had two personally, driven them both across the country and back a few times, and know of countless people who have them also without issue. That's a very small sample size but so is this forum or any other website you read. By and large the EB in the F-150 has proven to be an overall success as proven by Ford's continued support of it throughout their model lineup and going into the next generation of trucks and vehicles. It is further confirmed by each and EVERY truck manufacturer out there comparing their truck's lineup to the EB. The marketing and advertising people at those companies obviously know that the EB is a huge contender and is here to stay. If Mike or anyone else doesn't like it, thats fine, that's the beauty of the country we live in. But a lot of people on this site need to grow up, learn some respect, and just be happy with what they have and not be a keyboard warrior and spout information about things they obviously know nothing about.
Sizing both the compressor and exhaust wheels on top of the A/R ratio on the exhaust side is what will or won't reduce lag. This is even more crucial and vital on a twin, non sequential, turbo setup. The EB setup is simple. Two turbos, 3 cylinders driving each one. No sequential complications to worry about and extra actuators and all the other craziness that comes from that type of setup. Ford did an exceptional job in getting this all setup correctly on the EB. I had a 2011 and now have a 2013 with the slightly larger turbos and love them both.
And to elaborate on the "lag" that people, albeit uninformed, seem to think the truck has, is actually the DBW system and delay in throttle response that Ford has built into the stock setup and tune. I don't have a clue why they chose to make it this way, but it gives the illusion of turbo lag that just isn't there. If you look at the compressor maps of the turbos (assuming you know how to read one) you can easily see that the lag just isn't going to be there given the throttle adjustments could be made to the stock tune. That's where the custom tunes come in.
The MPT tune I have completely eliminates that perceived lag. The second you touch the throttle, in any gear, at any speed, even sitting still, you will instantly have boost. The Torque app I use confirms this everytime I touch the go pedal. The tip in throttle response is phenomenal and is almost a little too responsive at times. This exposes and goes to show exactly what the engine is capable of and how it should exactly perform.
And to MikeUps, while I can understand your disbelief in the EB in general, to imply that people who do believe in it and buy it are stupid just shows the lack of professionalism and maturity you seem to have. It's one thing to have an educated and straight forward conversation or discussion about what someone prefers or believes over the other, but name calling and negativity you are spreading is a joke. I don't personally like or care for the 5.0 myself, but I have never once in nearly 4 years on this site, said one negative word about it. It's a V8 that many people enjoy and love and I am not about to spout mindless ramblings about it to either make myself feel better or more justified in my two EB purchases. That seems to be a common issue for some people on this forum and I have yet to have the slightest idea why. Why do you need to attempt to make someone feel bad or worse about something they did in order to make yourself feel better or more justified in what you did?
The engine has been out for 4 years and over 400,000 of them have been sold to date. Have their been issues? Absolutely there have been. Please show me an engine or drivetrain or new product of a manufacturer that doesn't. How many have had issues? What percentage of owners have issues? It's all a numbers game as far as any manufacturer is concerned and I would venture to bet that it is a VERY VERY small percentage overall of engines that have issues. I've had two personally, driven them both across the country and back a few times, and know of countless people who have them also without issue. That's a very small sample size but so is this forum or any other website you read. By and large the EB in the F-150 has proven to be an overall success as proven by Ford's continued support of it throughout their model lineup and going into the next generation of trucks and vehicles. It is further confirmed by each and EVERY truck manufacturer out there comparing their truck's lineup to the EB. The marketing and advertising people at those companies obviously know that the EB is a huge contender and is here to stay. If Mike or anyone else doesn't like it, thats fine, that's the beauty of the country we live in. But a lot of people on this site need to grow up, learn some respect, and just be happy with what they have and not be a keyboard warrior and spout information about things they obviously know nothing about.
Having the turboes COMPRESS the intake airflow and then cooling it back down to OAT via the CAC while still compressed WILL result in condensation forming at the outlet side of the CAC as the COMPRESSSED intake airflow is reduced to atmospheric pressure due to the large volume of the CAC outlet endcap.
Condensation is pooling in the outlet endcap as the truck is driven in simple cuise mode, supposedly with NO BOOST.
Ergo the turboes MUST be spooled up in cruise mode just enough to produce a slight pressure drop at the CAC outlet.
Result, little or no turbo lag.
03-03-2014, 03:25 PM
#26
400,000 EcoBoosts sold to date..
But how many of those, like the F150, strive to keep the turboes spooled up right to the cusp of producing boosted airflow just upstream of the partially closed throttle plate?
But how many of those, like the F150, strive to keep the turboes spooled up right to the cusp of producing boosted airflow just upstream of the partially closed throttle plate?
