Perplexing PATS Programming Problem
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Perplexing PATS Programming Problem
I'm on my second set of blanks (both stated to be correct for my '03 F150), with the same results.
THE PROCESS I USED
THE RESULTS
Can anyone tell me what the heck is wrong?
Thanks.
Andy
P.S. Via Forscan, I've verified that only two keys are currently programmed.
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THE PROCESS I USED
1. Insert an existing (working) key into the ignition cylinder.
2. Turn the ignition to ON (RUN) and back to OFF (Minimum ONE SECOND in "RUN"). Remove key.
3. Within TEN seconds, insert a second working key and turn it to ON (RUN) and then back to OFF(minimum ONE second in "RUN," max TEN seconds). Remove key.
4. Insert new key before TEN seconds elapse and turn to ON (RUN). Leave it the ON position minimum ONE second and turn back to OFF.
5. The security light will light up for THREE seconds to indicate that the new key has been successfully programmed.
2. Turn the ignition to ON (RUN) and back to OFF (Minimum ONE SECOND in "RUN"). Remove key.
3. Within TEN seconds, insert a second working key and turn it to ON (RUN) and then back to OFF(minimum ONE second in "RUN," max TEN seconds). Remove key.
4. Insert new key before TEN seconds elapse and turn to ON (RUN). Leave it the ON position minimum ONE second and turn back to OFF.
5. The security light will light up for THREE seconds to indicate that the new key has been successfully programmed.
THE RESULTS
At step 4/5 the THEFT light flashes quickly and does not stop until key is removed.
Can anyone tell me what the heck is wrong?
Thanks.
Andy
P.S. Via Forscan, I've verified that only two keys are currently programmed.
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Last edited by OhioLariat; Sep 17, 2016 at 03:55 PM.
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ok, I guess you've got the right instructions
are both your working keys factory original or properly programmed?
because cloned keys will not work as a second key, these keys are what you get at wal mart and other hardware stores.
I think there is a limit to the number of keys that can be programmed to the system.
after you reach the limit you're going to the dealer for a reset.
are both your working keys factory original or properly programmed?
because cloned keys will not work as a second key, these keys are what you get at wal mart and other hardware stores.
I think there is a limit to the number of keys that can be programmed to the system.
after you reach the limit you're going to the dealer for a reset.
Last edited by guyina4x4; Sep 17, 2016 at 06:17 PM.
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Ahhh! There are only two programmed (verified in Forscan), and I have only two: One is a Ford key, and one is an aftermarket. I never considered that they could be clones (and therefore the ECM would see them as the same key and error out as above).
Sounds like I might need to wipe them all out and start again (which makes me only a *little* bit nervous.)
Andy
BTW, I believe the limit is eight.
Sounds like I might need to wipe them all out and start again (which makes me only a *little* bit nervous.)
Andy
BTW, I believe the limit is eight.
Last edited by OhioLariat; Sep 17, 2016 at 09:52 PM.
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You need atleast 2 programed ignition key. Can both keys start the vehicle? If yes, spare key pid is not enabled. You need a bi-directional scantool to turn that on.
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Both keys start the vehicle, yes. I will have to check the SPAREKEY PID, but I have no reason to think it would have been disabled.
I have Forscan (activated) with a Bluetooth OBDII adapter. I've not yet tried to write information with this setup, as I've not studied up on it enough yet.
I also have Auto Enginuity, but I don't believe it can access the PATS system.
I believe Forscan will do what I need. The only question is is my interface sufficient?
Andy
I have Forscan (activated) with a Bluetooth OBDII adapter. I've not yet tried to write information with this setup, as I've not studied up on it enough yet.
I also have Auto Enginuity, but I don't believe it can access the PATS system.
I believe Forscan will do what I need. The only question is is my interface sufficient?
Andy
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Both keys start the vehicle, yes. I will have to check the SPAREKEY PID, but I have no reason to think it would have been disabled.
I have Forscan (activated) with a Bluetooth OBDII adapter. I've not yet tried to write information with this setup, as I've not studied up on it enough yet.
I also have Auto Enginuity, but I don't believe it can access the PATS system.
I have Forscan (activated) with a Bluetooth OBDII adapter. I've not yet tried to write information with this setup, as I've not studied up on it enough yet.
I also have Auto Enginuity, but I don't believe it can access the PATS system.
It's either the key don't have a transponder, somebody from the Dealership disabled it or your keys are cloned having the same key code.
Ford Enhance Interface is needed to access PATS using Auto Enguinity. You can add additional key with one progmmed key without erasing keys stored using a Scantool.
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The keys that won't program are new PATS blanks I had cut.
Both current keys will start the vehicle. Since they can't be used to program a third, I'm betting one is a clone.
I'd really like to know what I'm dealing with before taking action. Do you know if there's a way to read/compare the transponder code(s)?
Thanks for your help.
Andy
Both current keys will start the vehicle. Since they can't be used to program a third, I'm betting one is a clone.
I'd really like to know what I'm dealing with before taking action. Do you know if there's a way to read/compare the transponder code(s)?
Thanks for your help.
Andy
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I was just reading about this.
Programming: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=839
Transponder Verification: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1581
I'll try Forscan first, but do have the enhanced Ford software for Auto Enginuity, as well.
If I turn to AE, I may PM you for some help if that's OK.
Andy
Programming: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=839
Transponder Verification: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1581
I'll try Forscan first, but do have the enhanced Ford software for Auto Enginuity, as well.
If I turn to AE, I may PM you for some help if that's OK.
Andy
PM'd you w0lves.