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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 01:51 AM
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if you have been around the block so much why did you put on irs on your mustang makes no sense at all. or the irs swap mean you went to a straight axle but if you actually put irs on a mustang you arent very smart
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Jesus... where do you live that you get SHAFTED for almost 2 grand to do gears...

Around here gear swaps are 400 out the door parts and labor for a single axle...

If someone told me they wanted almost 2 grand for gears and labor I would just hang myself.

Labor must be cheap where you live. Around here 1 hour of labor is $100+. Plus there is no way you can even get parts for $400. Maybe if you get them off ebay or something I don't know. Lets say it is $400 in parts then add around 3 hours labor for the rear, another $400 for the front diff and 5 hours labor for that cause it's a pita. That's $1600 so 2k is a little high 1800 is possible and 1600 is about the cheapest you'll get. Now I'm gonna specify I'm including axle bearings and seals and carrier bearings and all because you'd be a fool to go deep enough to do gears and not do those.

To the other guy about the motors, I know you're right the engine blocks and heads are the same, I figured you were comparing the whole setup in the mustang to the setup in the trucks. The intake makes all the difference in the two different vehicles, the hp/torque ratings of a mustang gt and f150 are not the same.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by thepuma
if you have been around the block so much why did you put on irs on your mustang makes no sense at all. or the irs swap mean you went to a straight axle but if you actually put irs on a mustang you arent very smart
Because I autocrossed my mustang.

Theres more than 1 kind of racing in the world... I would hope somone who knows so much about mustangs would know why someone would want to swap to an irs. :P

I was originally going to put on a torque arm and watts link but it was still my DD at the time, so i didnt want to consequences of them. An IRS handles just as good as a basic TA/WL setup without the ridiculously rigid ride. It was a no brainer to swap in an IRS(and it was free)


And to the guy ranting about someone speaking from experience... there are thousands of others on boards that will tell you the same thing i did... and there are timeslips to back it up lol.

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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 02:51 AM
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O now see why you put a irs in your car to help but it still makes no sense if i was going to make a auto cross car it would be a fast light car not a bulky mustang that will still lumbar around its to heavy in my opinion i would rather see a rx-7 that is stripped and revs to the moon do a autocross track all that mustangs are they are not known for handling each to their own i guess
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:02 PM
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Once you address the crappy 4 link suspension design a mustang handles as well as anything else.. Not to mention the IRS gets a GT closer to a 50/50 split ratio of weight distribution. I would love for you to take a ride in an american iron car...and tell them that they should be using an rx7 or something else... lol
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JCP281
Once you address the crappy 4 link suspension design a mustang handles as well as anything else.. Not to mention the IRS gets a GT closer to a 50/50 split ratio of weight distribution. I would love for you to take a ride in an american iron car...and tell them that they should be using an rx7 or something else... lol
man im a huge mustang fan one day i plan on having one. but right now i needed a truck... autocross just isnt a mustangs forte. i hate foreign cars but i can respect the fact that they handle ten times better than a american... and if your gonna sit their and try and say a mustang with a irs will handle just as well as a subaru not happening and then the subaru will go wax the mustang in the quarter ... once again im going to state im a huge mustang fan
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by thepuma
man im a huge mustang fan one day i plan on having one. but right now i needed a truck... autocross just isnt a mustangs forte. i hate foreign cars but i can respect the fact that they handle ten times better than a american... and if your gonna sit their and try and say a mustang with a irs will handle just as well as a subaru not happening and then the subaru will go wax the mustang in the quarter ... once again im going to state im a huge mustang fan
LOL how can you say something is NOT its forte when you dont have one? I have no problem competing and beating all the other types of cars in the SM class... so i guess the car and I are doing something right.

Right now you sound like a complete armchair qb... until your doing it, your internet opinions are just that... opinions. The people with AWD cars usually are some of the worst out there because they depend on the AWD to make up for their lack of skill... and they usually come in a few seconds back. The cars that are the competitors are your RWD miatas/s2000s/cobras/vettes. And YES, the IRS handles just as well as a torque arm/PHB setup on a live axle... so yea it handles pretty darn good.

Again, your comments are that of someone who has not, and probably will not ever do it, so you might want to just sit this one out and stop making generalized comments about something your not familiar with. Their are tons and tons of guys on the net that autox their mustang and have great results doing it.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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lack of skill come on now im just trying emphasize that awd will handle better and they do people running s2k and miatas those are both foreign. and they probably do very well tbut the fact is a mustang was meant to go fast in a straight line not on a track you throw any type of power at the mustang your just gonna spin you throw a bigger turbo injectors and all that other stuff at the subaru it will handle it in the corners mustang wont so then you arent running your car to the full potential and your irs was free probably because a dude with a cobra was like **** this **** give me a 8:8
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pickupsrule
"the 4.6 in a cab or mustang is not the same motor"

Actually it is exactly the same motor. The different motor is the 4.2 - 6 which was stroked for more torque. All the F150 engines from the years of these threads can get the job done for a truck, so I never understand what the problem is with the "poor performance" questions. I guess it depends on whether you want a truck or a street racer.
actually, a friend of mine has a mustang which has an aluminum block,.. the pickups have steel blocks... and chips are dumb in gassers....
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thepuma
lack of skill come on now im just trying emphasize that awd will handle better and they do people running s2k and miatas those are both foreign. and they probably do very well tbut the fact is a mustang was meant to go fast in a straight line not on a track you throw any type of power at the mustang your just gonna spin you throw a bigger turbo injectors and all that other stuff at the subaru it will handle it in the corners mustang wont so then you arent running your car to the full potential and your irs was free probably because a dude with a cobra was like **** this **** give me a 8:8
LOL you obviously know nothing about suspension and what it does for the ability of a car to put the power to the ground. By your logic, a corvette should not be able to handle well, let alone any other american RWD car.

And the IRS is an 8.8, again, i would assume you should know this based on the fact your dishing out so much hardcore knowledge on a sport for which you dont compete nor understand apparently. The IRS was free because the guy with the cobra was pushing 600+ to the wheels and didnt want to snap his halfshafts when he launched on full slicks. My car launches better with the IRS than it ever did with the SRA. They are just more expensive to make stronger, so people would rather swap to an SRA.

And to say AWD is better for track driving is foolish. An STI/Evo was designed for off road/onroad racing... not circuit driving. Look at what the real teams use....RWD cars are the way to go. The guys that race them in autox just use the AWD as a crutch... and more times than not end up killing cones because they cant overcome the understeer that those cars put out while on nice grippy tarmac.
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