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procharger is a supercharger.
is a centri better than a top mount or roots style? depends on what you are after. you will have more torque sooner with a top mount or roots but have the ability for a tad more peak hp with a centri because of the larger intercooler. engines with centri setups don't suffer from heat soak as bad either.
there are blocking plates that some folks use on centri's that allow a centri to mimmic the instant torque of a top mount.
it's all in what you want, me personally, I would run a centri in a truck. these things already have terrible traction, can you imagine adding another ~150ftlbs of instant torque on top of stock? Lightnings were setup to run all that power, if you do go the huffer route, you'll need to make some adjustments out back.
is a centri better than a top mount or roots style? depends on what you are after. you will have more torque sooner with a top mount or roots but have the ability for a tad more peak hp with a centri because of the larger intercooler. engines with centri setups don't suffer from heat soak as bad either.
there are blocking plates that some folks use on centri's that allow a centri to mimmic the instant torque of a top mount.
it's all in what you want, me personally, I would run a centri in a truck. these things already have terrible traction, can you imagine adding another ~150ftlbs of instant torque on top of stock? Lightnings were setup to run all that power, if you do go the huffer route, you'll need to make some adjustments out back.
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I'm not really looking to do hole shots with it bc I have 37's I know I'm going to be breaking crap like diffs and drive shafts my trans is in the shop now being built stronger because that will most likely be the first to go. I'm just looking for some more top end power going down the highway. Whatever I break I will buy stronger. Do u know the price of a procharger
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~ 6,000. I don't know exactly but it's worth every penny. I would bite the bullet and install long tube headers as well while you are at it, it will make a big difference when you are stuffing in all that air.
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Whipple! Prochargers are fine but the Whipple will give you what you want in the truck. Low to top end. With the heavy wheels and tires you are going to want the power throughout. You probably already have traction bars. I am running a Whipple pushing 13-14psi and 475rwhp. I have Caltrec traction bars and pull a 1.70 60'. The Twinscrew blowers are extremely efficent and heat soak is not an issue. With the truck hot on the dyno my ACT (air charge temps) never exceeded 96 degrees. My WOT fuel burn is 6.1lbs per minute. Thats the same as the other blowers at 10psi. Thats twinscrew technology for ya. Look to the guys at www.driveshaftspecialists.com for upgraded driveshafts that will handle 800-900rwtq and they are rebuildable unlike our factory units which can't be serviced and break at 450rwtq.
FWIW Centri blowers suck on trucks. You need the low and mid range to get that 6000lb truck moving and top end to keep it fun. No way in hell anyone with 37's is having traction problems naturally aspirated. Hell anybody having traction issues with these trucks naturally aspirated needs to buy better tires.
FWIW Centri blowers suck on trucks. You need the low and mid range to get that 6000lb truck moving and top end to keep it fun. No way in hell anyone with 37's is having traction problems naturally aspirated. Hell anybody having traction issues with these trucks naturally aspirated needs to buy better tires.
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Whipple! Prochargers are fine but the Whipple will give you what you want in the truck. Low to top end. With the heavy wheels and tires you are going to want the power throughout. You probably already have traction bars. I am running a Whipple pushing 13-14psi and 475rwhp. I have Caltrec traction bars and pull a 1.70 60'. The Twinscrew blowers are extremely efficent and heat soak is not an issue. With the truck hot on the dyno my ACT (air charge temps) never exceeded 96 degrees. My WOT fuel burn is 6.1lbs per minute. Thats the same as the other blowers at 10psi. Thats twinscrew technology for ya. Look to the guys at www.driveshaftspecialists.com for upgraded driveshafts that will handle 800-900rwtq and they are rebuildable unlike our factory units which can't be serviced and break at 450rwtq.
Centri's have a much larger intercooler and have the ability to dissipate more heat.
if all you care about is drag racing stop light to stop light, you want a top mount or roots style - for those purposes whipple or even a TVS would be my choice. if you want safer intake temps when doing things like towing... centri.
FWIW Centri blowers suck on trucks. You need the low and mid range to get that 6000lb truck moving and top end to keep it fun. No way in hell anyone with 37's is having traction problems naturally aspirated. Hell anybody having traction issues with these trucks naturally aspirated needs to buy better tires.
your engine might not have been able to spin larger tires stock but the 6.2 has no trouble. The tires on the raptor are specifically designed by BFGoodrich for traction and handling - it isn't a tire issue it's an over abundance of torque.
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as I stated, it is all in what you want. I clearly stated that torque was instant with a top mount or roots style. Your biased opinion aside, a top mount will always suffer heat soak more easily and more severely than a centri, that's a fact. If you haven't had heat soak it's because you haven't run it hard enough. I had a terminator with a whipple and upgraded heat exchanger/water&ice reservoir running red line water wetter. heat soak was still a problem after a couple hard runs.
Centri's have a much larger intercooler and have the ability to dissipate more heat.
if all you care about is drag racing stop light to stop light, you want a top mount or roots style - for those purposes whipple or even a TVS would be my choice. if you want safer intake temps when doing things like towing... centri.
forced induction is forced induction, regardless of top mount, roots, centri or turbo, all will be a considerable improvement over stock and each can be tailored to the owners wants, be it max hp or max tq. as a rule top mount and roots style give tons of instant torque and also as a rule centri's have a ton of top end power. centri units consistently delivery higher peak numbers than top mounts and roots style, only being outdone by turbo's.
your engine might not have been able to spin larger tires stock but the 6.2 has no trouble. The tires on the raptor are specifically designed by BFGoodrich for traction and handling - it isn't a tire issue it's an over abundance of torque
Centri's have a much larger intercooler and have the ability to dissipate more heat.
if all you care about is drag racing stop light to stop light, you want a top mount or roots style - for those purposes whipple or even a TVS would be my choice. if you want safer intake temps when doing things like towing... centri.
forced induction is forced induction, regardless of top mount, roots, centri or turbo, all will be a considerable improvement over stock and each can be tailored to the owners wants, be it max hp or max tq. as a rule top mount and roots style give tons of instant torque and also as a rule centri's have a ton of top end power. centri units consistently delivery higher peak numbers than top mounts and roots style, only being outdone by turbo's.
your engine might not have been able to spin larger tires stock but the 6.2 has no trouble. The tires on the raptor are specifically designed by BFGoodrich for traction and handling - it isn't a tire issue it's an over abundance of torque
I wasn't talking to you. My post was for the op but knowing it pissed you off is only icing on the cake. I say this because you fail to post any real data to back up your remarks and you have used 3 different vehicles to try, none of which have anything to do with the 04-08 F150.
A Lightning, is a different animal in weight, length, suspension, etc. Hell it's not even the same chassis. The Raptor again is totally different. Different rear gears, transmission gears, suspension, weight, etc etc. Oh but some how because a truck that was designed to run across the desert spins the tires now that it has more torque the OP should use a centri blower to avoid the additional torque down low.
And last but certainly not least was your ridiculous heat soak arguement. Stating that I haven't run the truck hard enough if I haven't seen high temps because your Whipple charged Terminator did get hot. HELLO back here in f-150 world the stock motor can't handle 17psi like the Terminator. In fact unless a person is willing to spend some serious money 10psi is it. And at 10psi theres just not that much heat generated by either a Twinscrew or a Centri. So again I say heatsoak is just not an issue at the low boost levels run in these trucks. I have towed my 5000lb dual axle trailer with no increase in air charge temps over the ones I see at the track. And secondly the only time your making boost while towing is when accelerating beyond about half throttle so when do you suppose all this heat you speak of is being generated?
Your arguement for the intercooler size is equally invalid when applying it to the F-150. Your comparing an air to air intercooler (Centri setup) with an air to water system (Roots or Twinscrew). But since you want to make this comparison I will help you. Here are the options from Pro-charger. The 2-core is 18" x 12.5" x 3". The 3-core is 27" x 12.5" x 3". The Whipple has an intercooler built into the intake that is 16" x 8" X 3" with a heat exchanger measuring 24"X12"x1.25. All engineered by Fluidyne. Procharger claims air charge temps on their 8-9psi kits of 10-20 degrees above ambient. My Whipple at 13-14psi consistantly produces 28-32 degrees above ambient. Not bad for the additional boost. Its also extremly easy and cheap to add an additional heat exchanger if desired. I did it for $70.
So I ask, am I offering a "biased opinion" as you say? Or perhaps I did my research, did the work, have the kick *** truck, and can provide valid suggestions?
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Btw first on race day, you will be happy with either the Procharger or Whipple. Either one is capable of knocking your socks off. I think you will like the power from idle to redline with the Whipple but thats my opinion. Heck you would be pleased with a Roush. Having a supercharged truck is an awesome experince. Do some shopping around. The Procharger and Whipple can both be found online in the $4500-$4900 price range. $6000 is insane for any kit. See the links below.
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I wasn't talking to you. My post was for the op but knowing it pissed you off is only icing on the cake. I say this because you fail to post any real data to back up your remarks and you have used 3 different vehicles to try, none of which have anything to do with the 04-08 F150.
A Lightning, is a different animal in weight, length, suspension, etc. Hell it's not even the same chassis. The Raptor again is totally different. Different rear gears, transmission gears, suspension, weight, etc etc. Oh but some how because a truck that was designed to run across the desert spins the tires now that it has more torque the OP should use a centri blower to avoid the additional torque down low.
And last but certainly not least was your ridiculous heat soak arguement. Stating that I haven't run the truck hard enough if I haven't seen high temps because your Whipple charged Terminator did get hot. HELLO back here in f-150 world the stock motor can't handle 17psi like the Terminator. In fact unless a person is willing to spend some serious money 10psi is it. And at 10psi theres just not that much heat generated by either a Twinscrew or a Centri. So again I say heatsoak is just not an issue at the low boost levels run in these trucks. I have towed my 5000lb dual axle trailer with no increase in air charge temps over the ones I see at the track. And secondly the only time your making boost while towing is when accelerating beyond about half throttle so when do you suppose all this heat you speak of is being generated?
Your arguement for the intercooler size is equally invalid when applying it to the F-150. Your comparing an air to air intercooler (Centri setup) with an air to water system (Roots or Twinscrew). But since you want to make this comparison I will help you. Here are the options from Pro-charger. The 2-core is 18" x 12.5" x 3". The 3-core is 27" x 12.5" x 3". The Whipple has an intercooler built into the intake that is 16" x 8" X 3" with a heat exchanger measuring 24"X12"x1.25. All engineered by Fluidyne. Procharger claims air charge temps on their 8-9psi kits of 10-20 degrees above ambient. My Whipple at 13-14psi consistantly produces 28-32 degrees above ambient. Not bad for the additional boost. Its also extremly easy and cheap to add an additional heat exchanger if desired. I did it for $70.
So I ask, am I offering a "biased opinion" as you say? Or perhaps I did my research, did the work, have the kick *** truck, and can provide valid suggestions?