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Old 05-17-2018, 09:05 AM
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I'm also getting an error when I try to read the mode 6 codes in forscan. Odd stuff.
Old 05-17-2018, 12:04 PM
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Default Your jumper to battery is probably causing your two codes

Try making your jumper to the working coil 12vdc . That way dc will go on and off with key . Yes this water leak can be your noisy lash ,it is trying to run on water . . Your dash oil pressure gauge is junk it reads center scale for anything over 7psi we need 20psi .
I believe this is the engine that had oil flow problems in gallery feeds .?
Don't have much faith in head gasket sealants.
Can you pinpoint the side thats bad .
This is a good engine to learn on at least you have another to drive. Multiple failures are hard to deal with at the same time . Take a look at your plug tips to see of its leaking into cyl too. It will be steam cleaned . Hang in there and fix it . Maybe get a buddy to bounce ideas off .Two heads better than one .
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Originally Posted by redfishtd
Try making your jumper to the working coil 12vdc . That way dc will go on and off with key . Yes this water leak can be your noisy lash ,it is trying to run on water . . Your dash oil pressure gauge is junk it reads center scale for anything over 7psi we need 20psi .
I believe this is the engine that had oil flow problems in gallery feeds .?
Don't have much faith in head gasket sealants.
Can you pinpoint the side thats bad .
This is a good engine to learn on at least you have another to drive. Multiple failures are hard to deal with at the same time . Take a look at your plug tips to see of its leaking into cyl too. It will be steam cleaned . Hang in there and fix it . Maybe get a buddy to bounce ideas off .Two heads better than one .
My best friend is the gm of advance but he doesn't really know much about cars.... go figure. My dad is a retired ase certified mechanic who retired before they truck was built. Anything past 2000 might as well be a space shuttle to him.

I'm fairly certain the problem is with the passenger side head because that's where the lean code is coming from, If I ever do get the rough idle taken care of I'll be pulling that cover off again and fiddling with the lifters.

I have bars leak professional coming from amazon tomorrow ($24 on amazon $45 at local parts store) so once I get that in there and some fresh oil I'll continue diagnosing.

The oils too milky to keep fiddling with it, I don't want to run the chance of blowing the motor.

Thanks again for the help red.
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Default MODE $06 "test incomplete"

Thanks to @Badfish523 for the high praise. But this is not a Torque thing. (The OP has already noted the same thing occurs in Forscan)

The problem is in that smart damn box on the firewall (PCM). Your problem with Mode $06 'test incomplete' is a close cousin to the issue I addressed at length on HOW TO GET 'RID' of a P1000 CODE - here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...live-data.html

If you are using Torque Pro - it would benefit you greatly to download the 'CSV' file from that post into your android device and replicate that Torque Dashboard to monitor status of those monitors. If they all complete once, the MODE $06 reports will work fine.

When codes have been cleared - or battery disconnect - or went dead from sitting too long, all the flags maintained by the PCM indicating OBDII Monitors have completed -- has been cleared.

That means the PCM has to perform ALL OBDII Monitor routines successfully at least once. (A Mode $06 request actually is a command to the OBDII software to fire up the same software routines in the PCM "RIGHT NOW".) Great feature to keep you from having to 'shimmy' under the truck with your VOM to test O2 sensor Voltage, or O2 Sensor heater current. LOL. The problem that presents itself when YOU ARE requesting the reports after a reset -- IS a whole 'slew' of conditions known as "ENTRY CONDITIONS". If those entry conditions are not /have not been made, the test either can't start, can't complete, or will abort and report test incomplete or that a 'dependent' test failed.

I suspect your problem starts with the 'Misfire Profile Correction' routine which must complete before Misfire Monitor can run. Profile correction (corrects for imperfections in the crankshaft tone ring) and requires a couple of 'fuel shutoff' decelerations from 60-70 mph to about 30 mph (no breaks). After that flag is set true, then Misfire Monitor will start monitoring for misfires. Here are 'ENTRY CONDITIONS' for both monitor routines (taken from the OBDII Theory of Operation Manual for the 2004 - pg 11 of 98)

******* Profile Correction Entry conditions.JPG

******* Misfire Monitor Entry Conditions.JPG

The other Mode $06 reports that are probably failing are the Catalyst Monitor reports - because the CAT MONITOR routine has not ran since the last DTC or PCM reset. It is actually one of the more complex ones. Here are the ENTRY CONDITIONS for the two types catalyst Monitor routines (taken from the OBDII Theory of Operation Manual for the 2004)


****** Cat Switch Monitor Entry conditions.JPG


****** Cat Index Ratio Monitor Entry conditions.JPG

You can download a free copy of the OBDII Theory of Operation Manual for your Truck(s) from here: https://www.motorcraftservice.com/freeresources/obd ** Beware there are likely sugnificant differences between a 2004 and 2013. But this manual gives discriptions of Mode $06 Test REsults codes such as

CATALYST MONITOR MODE $06 DATA and MISFIrE MONITOR. It will make the Mode $06 reports make sugnificantly more sense.

Good luck and report to us on how it goes.

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Old 05-17-2018, 04:02 PM
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Thanks for chiming in!

I'm trying to load the csv file but can't seem to find the ".Torque/extendedpids" on my device.... The only folder with the name torque attached to it is the torquelogs folder... very odd. It's as if torque isn't installed at all. I have a galaxy s7. Is there an alternate method to adding the csv file to my app?
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.Torque is a 'hidden' directory. Go to your phone 'settings' and check unhide option.
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Ah I got it now, thanks bud. I won't be able to complete a drive cycle until tomorrow but this is very useful info. I will update what my readings look like when I can. Thanks again!
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I still haven't been able to get any mode 6 data but I have completed the bars leak treatment. It seems to have done the job, engine idles smoother, no overheating, no smoke at idle but there's still some when I rev it up but I'm just assuming there's still a bit of water in there and it will take care of itself eventually.

Now that I'm able to get it to idle long enough without over heating I'm getting a lean bank 1&2 code.

Should I start assuming fuel delivery issue? My fuel rail psi is at 40 which I hear is good. I guess tomorrow I'll start pulling injectors and see what happens.

But before I do all that I am a bit worried about this knock. It seems too loud to be just a collapsed lifter. Lost cause? Please check out the video and tell me what you guys think. Thanks!

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I wen't an got a new tire this morning so I was able to take it for it's first test drive. There is pretty extreme hesitation past 1500 and no power. The only codes I'm getting are lean bank 1 & 2.

I've been looking through old threads under the search parameter "rough idle lean bank 1 lean bank 2" and the culprit always seems to be a vacuum leak.

I must've sprayed 2 bottles of carb cleaner around every single tube on this motor and nothing affects the idle whatsoever. Took special attention to the one hidden behind the throttlebody and that doesn't seem to be it either.

Second most likely candidate according to what I've read so far is clogged/faulty pcv lines but I'm not too sure how to test these.

As always you guys rock, thanks!
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Here's a snapshot of my long term fuel trims at 3k rpms. Isn't this extremely high?


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