What are the negatives of a leveling kit?
02-14-2014, 11:11 AM
#21
Senior Member
Hi.
This is just one more of those debate where no one will ever win. Like the v6 versus the "gotta have that v8 sound" merry-go-round.
The quantifiable positive aspects of a level are few - a 'tough' look and typically clearance for larger meats. That's it. And it usually follow that larger tires are a next step, because a raised front-end with stock 31.9" tires looks goofy. And we all know that 'tough' and 'goofy' do not mix, lol.
The tangible downsides are more evident - mileage hit (confirmed via precise record-keeping, which most do not do, or do incorrectly), poorer aeros, additional mileage & aero hits from the aforementioned larger meats, the need for bags or springs to re-level it out after loading the bed and/or tongue ( unless you dig the Cali Rake, lol), front-end component wear, possible realignment expense poorer braking due to larger heavier meats, .... etc ...
Hence - objectively on that basis, the cons outweigh the pros. But - it simply does not matter to some folks; they 'just gotta have that tough look' even though it appears to most to be irrational.
BTW - those who feel it 'sets them apart from the millions of other F150's' are high, lol - it's still an easily-recognizable F150 in every other respect - no dinky little 1-2" front- end rise is EVER gonna change that fact. Common as the Timmie's on every corner, lol.
Wanna lift? Do it right (that means NO POS cheap-*** spacers), and suck up the unarguable effects on the truck - denial isn't gonna help you refute simple physics - unless you don't know what 'physics' even means
Lastly - it's also evident that there is a 'herd mentality' facet to mods like this - just like Fartmasters, glaring PnP Blue HID's, lifting a 2WD to install mudders, etc.
Just my opinion folks - if yall get bent or yer panties just got in a wad, that's yer problem.... okay? ADULT truck forum - whut even allows some cussin', remember?
This is just one more of those debate where no one will ever win. Like the v6 versus the "gotta have that v8 sound" merry-go-round.
The quantifiable positive aspects of a level are few - a 'tough' look and typically clearance for larger meats. That's it. And it usually follow that larger tires are a next step, because a raised front-end with stock 31.9" tires looks goofy. And we all know that 'tough' and 'goofy' do not mix, lol.
The tangible downsides are more evident - mileage hit (confirmed via precise record-keeping, which most do not do, or do incorrectly), poorer aeros, additional mileage & aero hits from the aforementioned larger meats, the need for bags or springs to re-level it out after loading the bed and/or tongue ( unless you dig the Cali Rake, lol), front-end component wear, possible realignment expense poorer braking due to larger heavier meats, .... etc ...
Hence - objectively on that basis, the cons outweigh the pros. But - it simply does not matter to some folks; they 'just gotta have that tough look' even though it appears to most to be irrational.
BTW - those who feel it 'sets them apart from the millions of other F150's' are high, lol - it's still an easily-recognizable F150 in every other respect - no dinky little 1-2" front- end rise is EVER gonna change that fact. Common as the Timmie's on every corner, lol.
Wanna lift? Do it right (that means NO POS cheap-*** spacers), and suck up the unarguable effects on the truck - denial isn't gonna help you refute simple physics - unless you don't know what 'physics' even means
Lastly - it's also evident that there is a 'herd mentality' facet to mods like this - just like Fartmasters, glaring PnP Blue HID's, lifting a 2WD to install mudders, etc.
Just my opinion folks - if yall get bent or yer panties just got in a wad, that's yer problem.... okay? ADULT truck forum - whut even allows some cussin', remember?
I would like to see your scientific reasons for why a leveling kit is bad. Lets here them. Because I've got one and after over 30k miles have had no front end parts go bad. Gas mileage largely depends on driving style anyway. So someone who likes to hear their motor is going to get worse mileage than me. You came in here trying to make a bunch of generalized statements and you really didn't prove anything.
You obviously haven't done your research if you think an air bag or leaf is necessary to make it truly level, in addition to the "pos spacer." You're (yer) acting, and talking, like a child.
02-14-2014, 11:56 AM
#22
You sound like the hipster in the corner of the middle school lunch room.. I thought this thread was about leveling kits not tires. It's great that you have an opinion. But if you think a stock truck looks remotely the same as a leveled truck with 35s, you have never seen either of them in person.
I would like to see your scientific reasons for why a leveling kit is bad. Lets here them. Because I've got one and after over 30k miles have had no front end parts go bad. Gas mileage largely depends on driving style anyway. So someone who likes to hear their motor is going to get worse mileage than me. You came in here trying to make a bunch of generalized statements and you really didn't prove anything.
You obviously haven't done your research if you think an air bag or leaf is necessary to make it truly level, in addition to the "pos spacer." You're (yer) acting, and talking, like a child.
I would like to see your scientific reasons for why a leveling kit is bad. Lets here them. Because I've got one and after over 30k miles have had no front end parts go bad. Gas mileage largely depends on driving style anyway. So someone who likes to hear their motor is going to get worse mileage than me. You came in here trying to make a bunch of generalized statements and you really didn't prove anything.
You obviously haven't done your research if you think an air bag or leaf is necessary to make it truly level, in addition to the "pos spacer." You're (yer) acting, and talking, like a child.
Hit a nerve, did I? Not unexpected - and you've only proven the point I made in my first sentence. How utterly typical of you. I am surprised it took this long!
By the way - this thread was about different folks offering their Pro/Con perspective on the title subject. It wasn't really meant to be a debate, and I did not take it that way initially, but, that is what these things usually devolve to. You, apparently, did not get the memo, and instead, came out swinging. Intolerant, foolish youngin', lol.
For some reason you are adverse to the concept of posting an opposing opinion. Good thing I don't need your permission to do that, lol.
As for child, sonny, I have both done more research than you ever will, nor do I have your apparent difficulty with plain english.
As for proof - more folks have had issues with leveling than have not, across several forums and many years of responses ( IF they are truthful and not in denial - which, unfortunately appears all too often ).
Refuting the simple physics of vehicle dynamics will not change a damn thing.
Lastly - glad you are not having any problems ( allegedly); you are not speaking for everyone though.
If you get this bent over a simple difference of opinion - heaven help you and those poor folks around you
BUT - I am more than willing to put this behind us, share a couple
's, and continue with the serious business of having Fun on this site. You up for that, my good man?Regardless - I will 110% respect your right to your opinion - whether you reciprocate the support or not.
MGD
Last edited by MGD; 02-14-2014 at 12:04 PM.
02-14-2014, 12:12 PM
#23
my 2010 had a leveling kit on it from the 3rd week I had it. I didn't put larger tires on it till my stockers wore out. I lost a little bit of mpg. after I put on the larger heavier tires and rims I lost more. I had for 4 years with 134000 miles on it and never had any problem from the front end and it was even involved in a fender bender. I think it all comes down to your tire, wheel and lift combo. heavier wider tires are going to put my stress on the components on a daily basis which could cause excessive wear and then premature failure. but its like anything. yes are trucks are rated to tow a lot. but if you tow that amount everyday your engine will work double hard and have added stress than someone that drives it to work and back and the occasional towing the boat to the lake. so the first is more likely to have a failure than the later. my truck was majority highway miles with minor towing which is why I probably didn't see much ill effect. so while there are negatives to leveling and positives. you need to ask yourself what are you going to be doing with your truck on a daily basis. that will determine the amount detriment of your mods to your vehicles parts.
02-14-2014, 12:13 PM
#24
Senior Member
I think your a bit wrong there chief, got a 2.5" level stock tires and i have noticed 0 change in millage, as well i was worried about the rake when weight in the back but i just had my snowmobile in the back and its a mountain sled so it isn't small and you couldn't even tell any difference then having nothing in the back.
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02-14-2014, 12:20 PM
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02-14-2014, 01:26 PM
#27
Senior Member
Well i guess ford engineers dont understand physics ethier cause like i said there has been no change in my fuel economy. I have been getting 800km on a tank from day one. Maybe in the winter she is 750km but i dont think i need to explain that, or should i for you. But hey maybe you can give me and ford guys a physics lesson.
02-14-2014, 03:43 PM
#28
Cooter's Lament in Jawja
Cooter drives his 1Fiddy
Sees a levelled truck
Reckons HE needs it
So thinks 'what the f*ck'
Whoa! he says
That looks effin' great!
Crap! he exclaims
My Mileage effin' ain't!
He Looks at the thang
Damn tires'er too small!
Reckons the fix is
New meats, nice'n Tall
Goes fer a drive
Oh, what a DAWG!
Online to The Forum
**** - needs a new Cog!
So, Regears the thang
Boy, fly it does, aight!
Then looks at his speedo
Hey, that thang's not right!
Back on The Forum
A Tuner I need!
Spends more dinero
in Search of speed
Another look loaded
That sag look SO ***!
Back on The Forum
I need some rear bags!
Thousands done spent
Young Cooter moans
What was I thinking?
Shoulda left it alone.
He emptied his wallet
He tore his front boots
It's Still a '150
Folks don't give a hoot
Kids gotta look 'tough'
Want their trucks up on high
Ne'er a thought given
To the reason "WHY".
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Cooter drives his 1Fiddy
Sees a levelled truck
Reckons HE needs it
So thinks 'what the f*ck'
Whoa! he says
That looks effin' great!
Crap! he exclaims
My Mileage effin' ain't!
He Looks at the thang
Damn tires'er too small!
Reckons the fix is
New meats, nice'n Tall
Goes fer a drive
Oh, what a DAWG!
Online to The Forum
**** - needs a new Cog!
So, Regears the thang
Boy, fly it does, aight!
Then looks at his speedo
Hey, that thang's not right!
Back on The Forum
A Tuner I need!
Spends more dinero
in Search of speed
Another look loaded
That sag look SO ***!
Back on The Forum
I need some rear bags!
Thousands done spent
Young Cooter moans
What was I thinking?
Shoulda left it alone.
He emptied his wallet
He tore his front boots
It's Still a '150
Folks don't give a hoot
Kids gotta look 'tough'
Want their trucks up on high
Ne'er a thought given
To the reason "WHY".
Copyright [MENTION=171624]MGD[/MENTION]
All Rights Reserved
Last edited by MGD; 02-14-2014 at 05:17 PM. Reason: A work in progress .... lol
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02-15-2014, 01:32 AM
#29
Senior Member
Cooter's Lament in Jawja
Cooter drives his 1Fiddy
Sees a levelled truck
Reckons HE needs it
So thinks 'what the f*ck'
Whoa! he says
That looks effin' great!
Crap! he exclaims
My Mileage effin' ain't!
He Looks at the thang
Damn tires'er too small!
Reckons the fix is
New meats, nice'n Tall
Goes fer a drive
Oh, what a DAWG!
Online to The Forum
**** - needs a new Cog!
So, Regears the thang
Boy, fly it does, aight!
Then looks at his speedo
Hey, that thang's not right!
Back on The Forum
A Tuner I need!
Spends more dinero
in Search of speed
Another look loaded
That sag look SO ***!
Back on The Forum
I need some rear bags!
Thousands done spent
Young Cooter moans
What was I thinking?
Shoulda left it alone.
He emptied his wallet
He tore his front boots
It's Still a '150
Folks don't give a hoot
Kids gotta look 'tough'
Want their trucks up on high
Ne'er a thought given
To the reason "WHY".
Copyright @MGD
All Rights Reserved
Cooter drives his 1Fiddy
Sees a levelled truck
Reckons HE needs it
So thinks 'what the f*ck'
Whoa! he says
That looks effin' great!
Crap! he exclaims
My Mileage effin' ain't!
He Looks at the thang
Damn tires'er too small!
Reckons the fix is
New meats, nice'n Tall
Goes fer a drive
Oh, what a DAWG!
Online to The Forum
**** - needs a new Cog!
So, Regears the thang
Boy, fly it does, aight!
Then looks at his speedo
Hey, that thang's not right!
Back on The Forum
A Tuner I need!
Spends more dinero
in Search of speed
Another look loaded
That sag look SO ***!
Back on The Forum
I need some rear bags!
Thousands done spent
Young Cooter moans
What was I thinking?
Shoulda left it alone.
He emptied his wallet
He tore his front boots
It's Still a '150
Folks don't give a hoot
Kids gotta look 'tough'
Want their trucks up on high
Ne'er a thought given
To the reason "WHY".
Copyright @MGD
All Rights Reserved
To the OP, they make 1.5" leveling kits that won't make your rear sit lower. And if you decide to go with a 2", you can get some more lift in the back with an AAL. No need bag. Unless you tow a lot of heavy stuff, then it might be beneficial. But that has nothing to do with leveling kits.
@MGD if you are that worried about gas mileage, get a Prius. this is a truck forum.
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02-15-2014, 01:37 AM
#30
Senior Member
Cooter's Lament in Jawja Cooter drives his 1Fiddy Sees a levelled truck Reckons HE needs it So thinks 'what the f*ck' Whoa! he says That looks effin' great! Crap! he exclaims My Mileage effin' ain't! He Looks at the thang Damn tires'er too small! Reckons the fix is New meats, nice'n Tall Goes fer a drive Oh, what a DAWG! Online to The Forum **** - needs a new Cog! So, Regears the thang Boy, fly it does, aight! Then looks at his speedo Hey, that thang's not right! Back on The Forum A Tuner I need! Spends more dinero in Search of speed Another look loaded That sag look SO ***! Back on The Forum I need some rear bags! Thousands done spent Young Cooter moans What was I thinking? Shoulda left it alone. He emptied his wallet He tore his front boots It's Still a '150 Folks don't give a hoot Kids gotta look 'tough' Want their trucks up on high Ne'er a thought given To the reason "WHY". Copyright [MENTION=171624]MGD[/MENTION] All Rights Reserved
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