Auto Four Wheel Drive Issues
I have a 2014 F150 Platinum absolutely stock with about 37,000 miles. I have experienced a shutter or slight grinding in the front end during deceleration pretty much since new. I have taking the truck to 4 dealerships and the last one finally agreed that there was a problem. After two weeks in the shop they are telling me there are some bearings that are being replaced in the front end. I have thought this to be the result of a problem for a long time. Now here is my REAL ISSUE - I have the auto 4WD and all the front gear turns all the time while in 2H. I have asked all 4 dealerships and they all tell me this is common. I believe this is a flaw in the design of the auto 4WD Xcase. I mounted a go-pro under the truck and while in 2H the front drive shaft is constantly spinning. The owners manual defines the selections of the Xcase like this - "2H Provides optimum smoothness and fuel economy at high speed." How can you provide optimum smoothness and fuel economy while unnecessarily pushing all the front end gear? There is essentially no mechanical difference in 2H and 4A. If it had not been for the bearings that have gone out I would have never found this issue and would have just accepted the crapy fuel economy I get. I do have a heavy foot, so I have always attributed it to that. All of my driving is highway miles at a moderate (45-65 mph) and I get 15.9 mpg all the time with very little stop and go. I bet I could remove the front drive shaft and get a couple Mpg better and be close to what I should be getting if the transfer case operated as I would guess it was intended to. I would love to hear the thoughts of the forum members. Thanks in advance for your input and thoughts.
Chance
Chance
I don't have any personal experience with that particular tcase, but I would try to determine if the transfer case or hubs are engaged. With the truck in 2wd, disconnect the front driveshaft and try to turn the front output. If it will turn, then the transfer case is truly in 2wd.
Then with the driveshaft removed and the truck running, spin each front tire and see if the axle shaft spins.
Then with the driveshaft removed and the truck running, spin each front tire and see if the axle shaft spins.
I have a 2014 F150 Platinum absolutely stock with about 37,000 miles. I have experienced a shutter or slight grinding in the front end during deceleration pretty much since new. I have taking the truck to 4 dealerships and the last one finally agreed that there was a problem. After two weeks in the shop they are telling me there are some bearings that are being replaced in the front end. I have thought this to be the result of a problem for a long time. Now here is my REAL ISSUE - I have the auto 4WD and all the front gear turns all the time while in 2H. I have asked all 4 dealerships and they all tell me this is common. I believe this is a flaw in the design of the auto 4WD Xcase. I mounted a go-pro under the truck and while in 2H the front drive shaft is constantly spinning. The owners manual defines the selections of the Xcase like this - "2H Provides optimum smoothness and fuel economy at high speed." How can you provide optimum smoothness and fuel economy while unnecessarily pushing all the front end gear? There is essentially no mechanical difference in 2H and 4A. If it had not been for the bearings that have gone out I would have never found this issue and would have just accepted the crapy fuel economy I get. I do have a heavy foot, so I have always attributed it to that. All of my driving is highway miles at a moderate (45-65 mph) and I get 15.9 mpg all the time with very little stop and go. I bet I could remove the front drive shaft and get a couple Mpg better and be close to what I should be getting if the transfer case operated as I would guess it was intended to. I would love to hear the thoughts of the forum members. Thanks in advance for your input and thoughts.
Chance
Chance
This is how it should work. My 2012 plat works this way.
2H unlocks the hubs via vacuum and disconnects the front shaft in the xFer box
4A locks hubs, engages the transfer box to ratio power front to back (torsen)
4H locks hubs, locks xFer box front to back (old fashion 4WD)
In 2H, your hubs are unlocked and your front shaft does NOT spin. Your problem sounds like the hubs were locked most of the time or weakly unlocked. You probably had a vacuum leak somewhere in the hub locking circuit. This is more common than you think and the grinding sound is a hub trying to lock....not enough vacuum to keep the gears (actually dogs) separated.
I don't have any personal experience with that particular tcase, but I would try to determine if the transfer case or hubs are engaged. With the truck in 2wd, disconnect the front driveshaft and try to turn the front output. If it will turn, then the transfer case is truly in 2wd.
Then with the driveshaft removed and the truck running, spin each front tire and see if the axle shaft spins.
Then with the driveshaft removed and the truck running, spin each front tire and see if the axle shaft spins.
So you are saying the front driveshaft and axels spin while in 2H and that is the way it is supposed to work? So shifting the tcase switch only tells the hubs when to lock and shifts the tcase to low range? I don't agree with that. Shifting the tcase to 2H should not engage the front driveshaft. The propose of locking hubs and a shiftable tcase is to keep the front axel and driveshaft from spinning while in 2H and optimizing fuel economy and smoothness.
This is how it should work. My 2012 plat works this way.
2H unlocks the hubs via vacuum and disconnects the front shaft in the xFer box
4A locks hubs, engages the transfer box to ratio power front to back (torsen)
4H locks hubs, locks xFer box front to back (old fashion 4WD)
In 2H, your hubs are unlocked and your front shaft does NOT spin. Your problem sounds like the hubs were locked most of the time or weakly unlocked. You probably had a vacuum leak somewhere in the hub locking circuit. This is more common than you think and the grinding sound is a hub trying to lock....not enough vacuum to keep the gears (actually dogs) separated.
2H unlocks the hubs via vacuum and disconnects the front shaft in the xFer box
4A locks hubs, engages the transfer box to ratio power front to back (torsen)
4H locks hubs, locks xFer box front to back (old fashion 4WD)
In 2H, your hubs are unlocked and your front shaft does NOT spin. Your problem sounds like the hubs were locked most of the time or weakly unlocked. You probably had a vacuum leak somewhere in the hub locking circuit. This is more common than you think and the grinding sound is a hub trying to lock....not enough vacuum to keep the gears (actually dogs) separated.
I should clarify that when I say the tcase is allowing the front driveshaft to spin I mean that the tcase is actually spinning the shaft. I know that if the hubs are locked then the tcase will "allow" the shaft to spin even though the tcase may not be engaged.
Last edited by Knot-A-Chance; Nov 15, 2016 at 09:56 PM.
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I have a 2014 5.0 platinum and can definitely tell the difference between 2H and 4A. I really never thought to look at the driveshafts or axleshafts to see if they are spinning in 2H. I'm not saying that your information is wrong but that doesn't sound right.
I have always had Jeeps CJ7's, a Bronco, and 2 JK's so, who knows? Honestly I miss my locking hubs.
I think I would put it on jackstands and run it to see what's really spinning.
I have always had Jeeps CJ7's, a Bronco, and 2 JK's so, who knows? Honestly I miss my locking hubs.
I think I would put it on jackstands and run it to see what's really spinning.
Last edited by rednblues; Nov 15, 2016 at 10:32 PM.







