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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 01:09 AM
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haven't heard of the check valve in the ford filter, but i'll have to check this out. i have a wix filter and haven't heard any noises or had any issues.

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Ford has some special check valve built into its filters. I am kind of alarmed by reading about clatter that started after an oil/filter change
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 1994Vmax
It's oil people... it's a lubricant and a coolant... You could run 15w50 provided it wasn't cold out and have zero issues too. 5w20 offers adequate protection while supposedly increasing fuel economy. ... that's it. Pretty well all manufacturers switched for this very reason. Any good oil filter should have an anti drain back valve. I noticed startup clatter when I tried an amsoil filter... swapped in a Motorcraft and it's significantly improved. Motorcraft it is.
This guy gets it. The same intense debate went on about 20 years ago when vehicles were switching from 10w30 recommend to 5w30, as I'm sure it did moving from 10w40. I change at 5000 mile intervals as most filters can lose integrity past that, seeing a few canister type filters deforming helped make that decision. The filter will collapse just like a partially clogged air filter does.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 11:30 AM
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Modern engines have tighter tolerances and clearances. A thinner oil is needed to properly lubricate into these tight tolerances.

Too thick of an oil and you can oil starve a modern engine.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by powrdbyford
Anyone else using 30 weight oil instead of the water thin 20? I use mobil 1 5w-30 in my coyote because I'm an experienced mechanic and can't see 20 weight possibly offering the protection of 30. It's been said the only reason manufacturers are recommending 5w-20 and 0w-20 is simply to improve corporate average fuel economy In order to meet government standards. I would say this is true. What's Also intresting is ford recommends 5w-50 in the track pack mustang which has the exact same engine as the GT which calls for 20 weight. I'm just curious what your all thoughts on this are??
The main reason 5W-20 was specified for your engine is to increase the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) reported to the Federal Government. CAFE is the combined average fuel economy of all of a vehicle manufacturers product line. Minimum CAFE levels are specified by the Federal Government. In order for a vehicle manufacturer to continue selling profitable large trucks and SUV's, which typically have poor fuel mileage ratings, as compared to smaller cars, and still meet mandated CAFE requirements, they must also sell enough of the smaller cars which have much better fuel economy ratings to offset the poor fuel economy ratings of the larger vehicles. For model year 2001, the change to a 5W-20 oil will allow Ford and Honda's overall CAFE to increase by a very small amount, typically in the tenths of a mile per gallon range. 5W-20 oil is a lighter viscosity than a 5W-30 oil and therefore has less internal engine frictional losses, or less drag on the crankshaft, pistons and valvetrain, which in turn promotes increased fuel economy. This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable to the average motorist without the use of specialized engine monitoring and testing equipment under strictly controlled test track driving when compared to a 5W-30, 10W-30 or a 0W-30 viscosity motor oil.

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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by F-250,LD
Modern engines have tighter tolerances and clearances. A thinner oil is needed to properly lubricate into these tight tolerances.

Too thick of an oil and you can oil starve a modern engine.
This is such bullsh!t... stop it. Do you even know what "tight tolerances" they mean... no you don't... It's not that the rod bearings, mains and piston to wall are that much tighter. ... they aren't. What it means is manufacturing wise they are supposed to be more uniformly built from better equipment with more repeatability. Because of those supposed requirements you can run water consistency oil and still be blessed to build oil pressure. They tightened up their tolerance to error... You need clearance regardless to deal with with thermal expansion... that hasn't made engines suddenly need zero clearance between a bearing and a journal. Engines built 35 years ago can easily be machined with the same physical tolerances but magically they are okay to run with higher viscosity oils.... nope! The only argument I have ever seen that may present some validity is the cam phasers because depending on design oil pressure advances and retards the cam or cams. If it changes ant amount it throws the process out..... but that's it. Enough with this tight tolerance rubbish already!

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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 11:42 AM
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This is such bullsh!t... stop it. Do you even know what "tight tolerances" they mean... no you don't... It's not that the rod bearings, mains and piston to wall are that much tighter. ... they aren't. What it means is manufacturing wise they are supposed to be more uniformly built from better equipment with more repeatability. You need clearance regardless to deal with with thermal expansion... that hasn't made engines suddenly need zero clearance between a bearing and a journal. Engines built 35 years ago can easily be machined with the same physical tolerances but magically they are okay to run with higher viscosity oils.... nope! The only argument I have ever seen that may present some validity is the cam phasers because depending on design oil pressure advances and retards the cam or cams. If it changes ant amount it throws the process out..... but that's it. Enough with this tight tolerance rubbish already!
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BE25FX4
haven't heard of the check valve in the ford filter, but i'll have to check this out. i have a wix filter and haven't heard any noises or had any issues.
I had one of my local Ford dealers refuse to install a WIX Gold filter that I'd brought in with me because it wasn't OEM. They said it did not have the right check valve......you could see the check valve if you looked inside, but that did not matter to them.
I also am constantly amazed at the claims about how "perfect" (fill in the brand name oil here) works based only on how many miles you've used it. I have never heard of an oil related engine FAILURE.....ever. You could probably run the cheapest recycled oil sold out of the back door of a wrecking yard, and your engine would not "fail" because of the oil.
Now if you want to talk about your engine seeming to start and run more quietly, or get better mpg, or as mentioned -- tearing it down and have it look new inside.....then I am all ears.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 12:48 PM
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sterlingone, thanks for the info. the dealer might be pushing the brand or it could be totally different. the next oil change i'll change back and see if i notice a difference.

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I had one of my local Ford dealers refuse to install a WIX Gold filter that I'd brought in with me because it wasn't OEM. They said it did not have the right check valve......you could see the check valve if you looked inside, but that did not matter to them.
I also am constantly amazed at the claims about how "perfect" (fill in the brand name oil here) works based only on how many miles you've used it. I have never heard of an oil related engine FAILURE.....ever. You could probably run the cheapest recycled oil sold out of the back door of a wrecking yard, and your engine would not "fail" because of the oil.
Now if you want to talk about your engine seeming to start and run more quietly, or get better mpg, or as mentioned -- tearing it down and have it look new inside.....then I am all ears.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 01:13 PM
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Oil is like religion .....
  • pick one.
  • stick with it and follow the regiments.
  • you'll be saved (or at least OK).
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Old Feb 13, 2015 | 12:03 AM
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I'm kind of a valvoline guy. Their fast and convenient, plus they have free slurpees. Do you guys think they are okay to use?
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