HELP new amplifier into a '13 F150 with Sony 700W System
09-12-2014, 06:24 PM
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HELP new amplifier into a '13 F150 with Sony 700W System
OK I KNOW THIS INFO IS HERE ON THE FORUM. YES I SEARCHED FOR IT. I FAILED.
Took the truck to an install shop, they were supposed to install my Alpine PDX-V9 amp in place of the Stock Amp, then we ran into the same problem everyone else did. No volume control.
Some googling came up with adding "Sound Control" or something. Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it. Can I get some advice input here? I know some say it works, other say it's a bad idea.
I know very little about this and I'm apocalyptically annoyed right now as my truck is still in pieces at the install shop waiting for them to finish tomorrow morning....
All input welcome, I need as much information as possible. PLEASE DO NOT tell me to go search for it, I'm quite lost and some actual guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Took the truck to an install shop, they were supposed to install my Alpine PDX-V9 amp in place of the Stock Amp, then we ran into the same problem everyone else did. No volume control.
Some googling came up with adding "Sound Control" or something. Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it. Can I get some advice input here? I know some say it works, other say it's a bad idea.
I know very little about this and I'm apocalyptically annoyed right now as my truck is still in pieces at the install shop waiting for them to finish tomorrow morning....
All input welcome, I need as much information as possible. PLEASE DO NOT tell me to go search for it, I'm quite lost and some actual guidance would be greatly appreciated.
09-12-2014, 06:31 PM
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I'm as far from an audio expert as they come(I know how to turn up volume thats it)... ordered my stuff today and they are adding a signal processor (I think) from the sony speaker wires, from there it goes to the amp
link to signal processor
link to signal processor
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09-12-2014, 06:44 PM
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First, Stop using the shop you went to. They are, frankly incompetent to have even tried this in the first place. It's extremely well know in the audio circles for this to happen.
Second, you're going to need a line output converter (LOC) at the very minimum to make this work. Better yet, you're going to need a summing device because not all of the channels coming out of the amplifier don't contain all the information you may want. Again, the installation shop should know this: it's fundamental.
Third, if everything is done appropriately (LOC, DSP) there should be no "Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it." They should know this, they are an install shop. Because they don't know it, I would cut your loss and go to someone who knows something.
Fourth. GO SEARCH! you may be very confused but this is covered in the forum and elsewhere on the internet. You don't want to hear that, but you didn't do your homework the first time and got ****ed. Don't repeat the same mistake.
Second, you're going to need a line output converter (LOC) at the very minimum to make this work. Better yet, you're going to need a summing device because not all of the channels coming out of the amplifier don't contain all the information you may want. Again, the installation shop should know this: it's fundamental.
Third, if everything is done appropriately (LOC, DSP) there should be no "Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it." They should know this, they are an install shop. Because they don't know it, I would cut your loss and go to someone who knows something.
Fourth. GO SEARCH! you may be very confused but this is covered in the forum and elsewhere on the internet. You don't want to hear that, but you didn't do your homework the first time and got ****ed. Don't repeat the same mistake.
09-12-2014, 07:08 PM
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First, Stop using the shop you went to. They are, frankly incompetent to have even tried this in the first place. It's extremely well know in the audio circles for this to happen.
Second, you're going to need a line output converter (LOC) at the very minimum to make this work. Better yet, you're going to need a summing device because not all of the channels coming out of the amplifier don't contain all the information you may want. Again, the installation shop should know this: it's fundamental.
Third, if everything is done appropriately (LOC, DSP) there should be no "Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it." They should know this, they are an install shop. Because they don't know it, I would cut your loss and go to someone who knows something.
This is not what they said but is what one of the regional suppliers said. The install shop did say it should be fine, but they will call Audio Control to confirm.
Fourth. GO SEARCH! you may be very confused but this is covered in the forum and elsewhere on the internet. You don't want to hear that, but you didn't do your homework the first time and got ****ed. Don't repeat the same mistake.
This may be covered, but I could not find it, neither could I understand what very little I DID find. I followed the advice of members here on the forum... did not know more would be needed.
Second, you're going to need a line output converter (LOC) at the very minimum to make this work. Better yet, you're going to need a summing device because not all of the channels coming out of the amplifier don't contain all the information you may want. Again, the installation shop should know this: it's fundamental.
Third, if everything is done appropriately (LOC, DSP) there should be no "Concern now is blowing the stock amp if we have another amp in line after it." They should know this, they are an install shop. Because they don't know it, I would cut your loss and go to someone who knows something.
This is not what they said but is what one of the regional suppliers said. The install shop did say it should be fine, but they will call Audio Control to confirm.
Fourth. GO SEARCH! you may be very confused but this is covered in the forum and elsewhere on the internet. You don't want to hear that, but you didn't do your homework the first time and got ****ed. Don't repeat the same mistake.
This may be covered, but I could not find it, neither could I understand what very little I DID find. I followed the advice of members here on the forum... did not know more would be needed.
What do you suggest I do know? Pay for half a job, refuse to pay, have them finish the job?
I don't have much of another option here... They are one of the better shops in the area... Sadly.
09-12-2014, 08:54 PM
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International man of Myst
I would suggest you do what you can in terms of minimizing the payment you make. Then I would call around to the other shops in the area, explain that you have a Ford with Sony system, and ask them how many they have done in the past. If it's more than a few, ask them what they would do in your situation. if the words DSP, LOC, Processor are used, you're on the right track.
I'm not sure what makes them a better company in the area, if they aren't able to get this right.....
I'm not sure what makes them a better company in the area, if they aren't able to get this right.....
09-12-2014, 08:56 PM
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They already have your truck apart, let them finish, if it's not satisfactory then speak up and make them fix what isn't right.
Let the OMG doomsayers on the internet rant and ignore them. Most reputable shops do have a warranty and they wouldn't be in business long if they screwed things up all the time.
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Let the OMG doomsayers on the internet rant and ignore them. Most reputable shops do have a warranty and they wouldn't be in business long if they screwed things up all the time.
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09-12-2014, 08:57 PM
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You do need a processor that sums the signals, as some processors do not do both. Im using the audison bit ten digital processor which does the summing. Basically they need to get an input from the factory amp. I used my front door speakers and rear door speakers, which the rears are a full range signal. This also means you are cutting your factory wires after the amp. The digital processor takes these signals and creates a sub output for your amp, as well as your front and rear outputs to go to your amp. You may want to go with the audison bit one processor as it will give more output channels if you want but don't have to. I worked in a car audio shop and know the position your in so I hope they can get this going for you. Good luck!
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09-12-2014, 09:19 PM
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They already have your truck apart, let them finish, if it's not satisfactory then speak up and make them fix what isn't right.
Let the OMG doomsayers on the internet rant and ignore them. Most reputable shops do have a warranty and they wouldn't be in business long if they screwed things up all the time.
.
Let the OMG doomsayers on the internet rant and ignore them. Most reputable shops do have a warranty and they wouldn't be in business long if they screwed things up all the time.
.
I would suggest you do what you can in terms of minimizing the payment you make. Then I would call around to the other shops in the area, explain that you have a Ford with Sony system, and ask them how many they have done in the past. If it's more than a few, ask them what they would do in your situation. if the words DSP, LOC, Processor are used, you're on the right track.
I'm not sure what makes them a better company in the area, if they aren't able to get this right.....
I'm not sure what makes them a better company in the area, if they aren't able to get this right.....
You do need a processor that sums the signals, as some processors do not do both. Im using the audison bit ten digital processor which does the summing. Basically they need to get an input from the factory amp. I used my front door speakers and rear door speakers, which the rears are a full range signal. This also means you are cutting your factory wires after the amp. The digital processor takes these signals and creates a sub output for your amp, as well as your front and rear outputs to go to your amp. You may want to go with the audison bit one processor as it will give more output channels if you want but don't have to. I worked in a car audio shop and know the position your in so I hope they can get this going for you. Good luck!