Is your truck tracking you?
02-10-2015, 09:25 AM
#11
Batteries Not Included
I was watching CBS news this a.m. Sen Markey of MA was being interviewed about his concern that todays cars and trucks have too much intelligence which is used to track your 'coming and going'. 
That information can be retrieved at anytime by anyone with the proper equipment. Others expressed concern that our vehicles could be 'commondeered' and controlled by others while we are driving.
According to the interviewer, 16 auto manufacturers include that technologey but only 2 are actually engaged in tracking. Sorry, they did not name those companies.
The technology allows your truck to respond to a 'caller' or to call an info collector and you are never aware. Are you concerned that your privacy is being invaded by that beautiful truck sitting in your garage ?
Is your truck cheating on you?
bwa hahahah !!!!
That information can be retrieved at anytime by anyone with the proper equipment. Others expressed concern that our vehicles could be 'commondeered' and controlled by others while we are driving.According to the interviewer, 16 auto manufacturers include that technologey but only 2 are actually engaged in tracking. Sorry, they did not name those companies.
The technology allows your truck to respond to a 'caller' or to call an info collector and you are never aware. Are you concerned that your privacy is being invaded by that beautiful truck sitting in your garage ?
Is your truck cheating on you?bwa hahahah !!!!
02-10-2015, 11:08 AM
#12
Senior Member
Welcome! to the 21st centry.
BLACK boxes have been in vehicles for more that 15years now (for FoMoCo since 2001)..
BLACK boxes have been in vehicles for more that 15years now (for FoMoCo since 2001)..
02-10-2015, 01:30 PM
#13
Senior Member
Welcome! to the 21st centry.
BLACK boxes have been in vehicles for more that 15years now (for FoMoCo since 2001)..
BLACK boxes have been in vehicles for more that 15years now (for FoMoCo since 2001)..
Yep...can be used to determine how fast the vehicle was going right before a crash among other things.
02-10-2015, 01:35 PM
#14
I saw an episode on 60 minutes last Sunday that was kinda creepy. They had a car from an hidden manufacturer. I think it was a gm but honestly don't know. They taped off parts of the car and added foam parts to hide it's make. Other than the look the car was unmodified.
Anyway, they had a computer hacker hack into the car's computer system wirelessly. The guy was able to control every part of the car. Lights, horn, windshield washers, door locks, gas, brakes. He literally disabled the brakes, the reporter pressed them and they didn't respond. Far too many parts on cars are computer controlled these days when they don't need to be at all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-hacked-on-60-minutes/
Anyway, they had a computer hacker hack into the car's computer system wirelessly. The guy was able to control every part of the car. Lights, horn, windshield washers, door locks, gas, brakes. He literally disabled the brakes, the reporter pressed them and they didn't respond. Far too many parts on cars are computer controlled these days when they don't need to be at all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-hacked-on-60-minutes/
Last edited by me1234; 02-10-2015 at 01:41 PM.
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02-10-2015, 03:33 PM
#15
As I was reading this I knew someone would blame Obama for this. You just can't get over this can you. Oh well. Back to reading about our trucks.
02-10-2015, 04:21 PM
#16
Senior Member
If you can access a car's ECU then it's technically possible to control these things. However, unless there's some secret wireless device hidden inside every vehicle no one has remote access to your car/truck.
If you're subscribed to a cell-based remote start service then you've voluntarily allowed this service access to your vehicle's electronics--although I'm skeptical that their access extends beyond what the owner can do remotely. Logging your actions may be possible however.
The only wireless device installed in pretty much every vehicle is the remote lock system. They generally work on a 315 MHz to 433 MHz frequency range. As far as I know, these systems aren't designed to transmit any real data. The system looks for pulses which trigger the appropriate action. At most, you can lock/unlock doors, open windows, trigger the car alarm and remotely start/stop the engine. The range is also very limited (usually no more than 20 meters). So you can forget the notion of some clandestine headquarters remotely operating your vehicles. It's possible for a "hacker" within range to access these functions but, again, they would only have access to the basic functions noted above.
I could believe manufactuers logging behavioural data when you go in for service or maybe even remotely if your vehicle is equipped with mobile access. But that's about as far as I'm willing to go right now.
If you're subscribed to a cell-based remote start service then you've voluntarily allowed this service access to your vehicle's electronics--although I'm skeptical that their access extends beyond what the owner can do remotely. Logging your actions may be possible however.
The only wireless device installed in pretty much every vehicle is the remote lock system. They generally work on a 315 MHz to 433 MHz frequency range. As far as I know, these systems aren't designed to transmit any real data. The system looks for pulses which trigger the appropriate action. At most, you can lock/unlock doors, open windows, trigger the car alarm and remotely start/stop the engine. The range is also very limited (usually no more than 20 meters). So you can forget the notion of some clandestine headquarters remotely operating your vehicles. It's possible for a "hacker" within range to access these functions but, again, they would only have access to the basic functions noted above.
I could believe manufactuers logging behavioural data when you go in for service or maybe even remotely if your vehicle is equipped with mobile access. But that's about as far as I'm willing to go right now.
I am lovin' the responses. I have been laughing continually since yesterday A.M. Y'all have great sense of humor
02-10-2015, 04:30 PM
#18
Senior Member
GPS has communications that is two way. That's how it tracks where you were and where you are. There are many other "services" that are now linking up via satellite. If you dig into it you can disable it.
The biggest problem facing the industry is that all of it's "networking" internal to the car was never designed for firewalls or other security. These devices all just talk to each other WITHIN the vehicle, so why worry about security? It's not like somebody could plug a keyboard into your door handle and hack into the various computers, right?
Today with on-star and other satellite/cell based communications it is very much possible. Though I don't believe it's nearly as easy as the news presentations made it look.
It is a genuine concern and the auto companies are definitely digging into it for solutions.
The biggest problem facing the industry is that all of it's "networking" internal to the car was never designed for firewalls or other security. These devices all just talk to each other WITHIN the vehicle, so why worry about security? It's not like somebody could plug a keyboard into your door handle and hack into the various computers, right?
Today with on-star and other satellite/cell based communications it is very much possible. Though I don't believe it's nearly as easy as the news presentations made it look.
It is a genuine concern and the auto companies are definitely digging into it for solutions.
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02-10-2015, 06:12 PM
#19
If you can access a car's ECU then it's technically possible to control these things. However, unless there's some secret wireless device hidden inside every vehicle no one has remote access to your car/truck. If you're subscribed to a cell-based remote start service then you've voluntarily allowed this service access to your vehicle's electronics--although I'm skeptical that their access extends beyond what the owner can do remotely. Logging your actions may be possible however. The only wireless device installed in pretty much every vehicle is the remote lock system. They generally work on a 315 MHz to 433 MHz frequency range. As far as I know, these systems aren't designed to transmit any real data. The system looks for pulses which trigger the appropriate action. At most, you can lock/unlock doors, open windows, trigger the car alarm and remotely start/stop the engine. The range is also very limited (usually no more than 20 meters). So you can forget the notion of some clandestine headquarters remotely operating your vehicles. It's possible for a "hacker" within range to access these functions but, again, they would only have access to the basic functions noted above. I could believe manufactuers logging behavioural data when you go in for service or maybe even remotely if your vehicle is equipped with mobile access. But that's about as far as I'm willing to go right now.
Also, it's not really the government I'm worried about controlling vehicles. I'm more worried about some jerk on the street with hacking skill saying "hey, I just saved $3 grand for this hardware, lets go eff up someones day!"
02-10-2015, 06:31 PM
#20
Batteries Not Included
I can see how vehicle throttle can be controlled due to the absence of cable to carb, and more vehicles are equipped with electric steering which could be manipulated, but how can a hacker gain control over hydraulic brakes? That doesn't make any sense to me.