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Old 02-28-2019, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Miller
FWIW wouldn't it be cheaper and a lot easier to just find a rear end for that truck that already has a traction lock in it?Not to mention putting the traction lock in your rear end you might have to get into setting back lash and all that other stuff that isn't easy to do!!!
Nope. I looked into that route and there is no guarantee that what you get will be any good and would wind up doing it anyway. Replacing the carrier is a simple matter, Shims are between the bearing races and housing, so a new set of bearing pressed in the carrier is all that is needed. No matter what, it still needs to be checked for proper mesh, and grease can be obtained with a bearing kit. It is not as big a production as replacing the gears, for that you do need a dial indicator and calipers for the shims. Pinion depth won't change with a carrier swap out, but ring distance could, and the grease will work to determine that. A carrier swap should take about 4-6 hours depending on tools and skill level. I've done them on a Superduty while laying on the floor. The Pinion nut for the Dana 80 was 440 ft/lbs of torque, and even with a torque multiplier it was difficult. That was the hardest part, the carrier replacement was the easy part.
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Nope. I looked into that route and there is no guarantee that what you get will be any good and would wind up doing it anyway. Replacing the carrier is a simple matter, Shims are between the bearing races and housing, so a new set of bearing pressed in the carrier is all that is needed. No matter what, it still needs to be checked for proper mesh, and grease can be obtained with a bearing kit. It is not as big a production as replacing the gears, for that you do need a dial indicator and calipers for the shims. Pinion depth won't change with a carrier swap out, but ring distance could, and the grease will work to determine that. A carrier swap should take about 4-6 hours depending on tools and skill level. I've done them on a Superduty while laying on the floor. The Pinion nut for the Dana 80 was 440 ft/lbs of torque, and even with a torque multiplier it was difficult. That was the hardest part, the carrier replacement was the easy part.
Well I wouldn't buy anything without seeing it in person and checking to actually see if it's a Traction Lock in good working order[Duh]!!

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Considering that the newest axle you can get with a "limited slip" carrier would be a 2008 model, good luck with that. Usually by the time they make it to the scrap yard they are pretty well done for. An E-lock axle starts around $1000 used from what I find near me.

So I stand by what I said, Nope, not unless you want to do a complete rebuild for $2500.
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Originally Posted by acdii
Considering that the newest axle you can get with a "limited slip" carrier would be a 2008 model, good luck with that. Usually by the time they make it to the scrap yard they are pretty well done for. An E-lock axle starts around $1000 used from what I find near me.

So I stand by what I said, Nope, not unless you want to do a complete rebuild for $2500.
So starting with'09 its either open or ELD? I hadn't paid any attention, but that surprises me. The old Trac-Loc (or whatever they called it) actually worked pretty well with proper service. You'd expect to re-clutch it around 75-90,000 miles, but that was an inexpensive and fairly easy job. I guess that forced the ELD to sell. For daily driving in rain, gravel and other common wheel slip environments, I prefer the old Trak-Loc. God bless the boys/girls in marketing...

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So starting with'09 its either open or ELD? I hadn't paid any attention, but that surprises me. The old Trac-Loc (or whatever they called it) actually worked pretty well with proper service. You'd expect to re-clutch it around 75-90,000 miles, but that was an inexpensive and fairly easy job. I guess that forced the ELD to sell. For daily driving in rain, gravel and other common wheel slip environments, I prefer the old Trak-Loc. God bless the boys/girls in marketing...
Yeah, I looked but can only find E-lock when I was looking to replace the gear in the 2014 I had. I too looked for the Trac-Loc, it was what I had in my Dually, and it worked well. Too well actually, I had goofed off and did a burn with the duals and wound up hopping the axle instead and shattered the spider gears. I had to completely rebuild it, and while I was at it swapped from 4.10 to 3.73 to get better fuel economy, which meant also doing the front axle. When I was done it was nice and quiet, much better than the OEM was.
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Burnouts with a dually? We must be related, that sounds like something I'd do.....
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Burnouts with a dually? We must be related, that sounds like something I'd do.....
LOL, I don't recommend it with an empty bed! I am so pi$$ed that I sold that truck, it is worth twice now what I got for it in 2012. I could use it now for a 5th wheel. That 7.3 is a beast, but the trans leaves a lot to be desired, needs to be BTS'd to put up with the Diesel.
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I can kinda envision what happened (I think). It was probably all roses for the first couple seconds, and then it started to hookup, hop and chatter, and BANG!

Been there-done that with the 4R100. I had an '02/7.3 that was a great truck (except for that ***** "improved" turbo that would surge after about 22 lbs boost) and the aforementioned trans. The biggest problem (to my mind) was they didn't lock the TC until 3rd gear. If you had to pull a big hill in 2nd, watch 'er cook! Not long after I traded it off on an '06/6.0 they figured it out and re-programmed them..... T/C was still a weak link though. A Sun Coast T/C was almost mandatory for towing heavy.
FWIW, the '06 was a trouble-free truck for me. Hauled the 5er all over the upper mid-west a couple times and AK and back too. In hindsight I wish I'd have kept it for a work truck.
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Originally Posted by acdii
Considering that the newest axle you can get with a "limited slip" carrier would be a 2008 model, good luck with that. Usually by the time they make it to the scrap yard they are pretty well done for. An E-lock axle starts around $1000 used from what I find near me.

So I stand by what I said, Nope, not unless you want to do a complete rebuild for $2500.
Did you see the OP is talking about a 1994 F-150 not a newer one,would you still stand by what you said?

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Originally Posted by acdii
Considering that the newest axle you can get with a "limited slip" carrier would be a 2008 model, good luck with that. Usually by the time they make it to the scrap yard they are pretty well done for. An E-lock axle starts around $1000 used from what I find near me.

So I stand by what I said, Nope, not unless you want to do a complete rebuild for $2500.

Originally Posted by PerryB
So starting with'09 its either open or ELD? I hadn't paid any attention, but that surprises me. The old Trac-Loc (or whatever they called it) actually worked pretty well with proper service. You'd expect to re-clutch it around 75-90,000 miles, but that was an inexpensive and fairly easy job. I guess that forced the ELD to sell. For daily driving in rain, gravel and other common wheel slip environments, I prefer the old Trak-Loc. God bless the boys/girls in marketing...
That's simply not true. Trac locks were available at least up through 2014, they just aren't as common as the e-locker or open diff. FX4 got the e-locker starting in 09. When I was looking for a new 2012/2013 almost every 4x4 on a dealer lot near me had the 3.55 e locker. It was ~ $450 upgrade (MSRP) from the standard open rear (3.31 I think was standard). The 3.55 LS was something was over a $2000 upgrade from standard. I've read that the migration to e-lockers over LS was largely due to the ABS/traction control systems, not sure if that holds any water or not.

but as far as the OP, the newest rear axle that's a direct bolt in fit will be from 1996. It would be cheap, but very little chance a 23 yr old TL would be any good. Then the rest of the axle is of condition as well.


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