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Thanks Wiggum, but what about how the truck will drive at 90k miles compared with the day it is new? That is one of the biggest items I have in mind when I mention quality and what I love about my current car. My old pontiacs drove worse brand new than my BMW does at 90k. Rattles, squeaks, breaking down suspension, bulbs going out due to shoddy electrical system, window regulators breaking constantly, coolant leaks, oil leaks, etc. Don't get me wrong, stuff breaks on my car and it is expensive to repair, but it's not the annoying little stuff that ruins the ownership experience.
The model I am most interested in at this point is the 2016 Lariat with the Special edition package. My guess is it will be in the mid 50's but hopefully a bit lower as I don't need 4 wheel drive in Florida. AC seats would be amazing though!!
All I can tell you is this ... I traded in my '08 FX4 with 97,500 miles on it, and it still drove and ran like the day I took it off the lot. My wife drove a 2005 Expedition from then until 2013, and had over 100K miles on it, and it too still ran/drove like the day we took it off the lot.
Those are the most recent high-mileage Fords we've had, as I'm now driving a 2014 FX4, and she's in a 2013 Expedition. We owned the two older Fords from "new", so I can tell you that we just did regular maintenance, and really had no issues with them. We were not "mean" to those vehicles, but we did (in my estimation) test them for toughness and reliability simply through good old fashioned use. I used my truck regularly for construction and hunting activities, as well as taking it on long road trips on the highway. The wife drives a little more "wild" than I do, and totes kids around all the time (which anyone with kids knows, they can be pretty hard on the interior of a vehicle). Again, both our 08 FX4 and 05 Expy were no worse for the wear, provided you realize that any vehicle over time will slowly show wear on the interior and exterior.
Lastly, the wife and I have driven Land Rover vehicles, GMC's, Nissans, and Jeeps ... My parents and brothers have driven everything from Mercedes to Jaguar to BMW to Land Rover to Toyota, so on and so forth. What I CAN tell you is this ... the BMW's and Land Rovers were THE worst about having problems that required bringing them into the dealer/shop for repairs. On the flip side, my Ford, GMC and Nissan vehicles that the wife and I have owned over the last 14 years have had maybe 3 total issues between them that required any type of legitimate "repair".
All I can tell you is this ... I traded in my '08 FX4 with 97,500 miles on it, and it still drove and ran like the day I took it off the lot. My wife drove a 2005 Expedition from then until 2013, and had over 100K miles on it, and it too still ran/drove like the day we took it off the lot.
Those are the most recent high-mileage Fords we've had, as I'm now driving a 2014 FX4, and she's in a 2013 Expedition. We owned the two older Fords from "new", so I can tell you that we just did regular maintenance, and really had no issues with them. We were not "mean" to those vehicles, but we did (in my estimation) test them for toughness and reliability simply through good old fashioned use. I used my truck regularly for construction and hunting activities, as well as taking it on long road trips on the highway. The wife drives a little more "wild" than I do, and totes kids around all the time (which anyone with kids knows, they can be pretty hard on the interior of a vehicle). Again, both our 08 FX4 and 05 Expy were no worse for the wear, provided you realize that any vehicle over time will slowly show wear on the interior and exterior.
Lastly, the wife and I have driven Land Rover vehicles, GMC's, Nissans, and Jeeps ... My parents and brothers have driven everything from Mercedes to Jaguar to BMW to Land Rover to Toyota, so on and so forth. What I CAN tell you is this ... the BMW's and Land Rovers were THE worst about having problems that required bringing them into the dealer/shop for repairs. On the flip side, my Ford, GMC and Nissan vehicles that the wife and I have owned over the last 14 years have had maybe 3 total issues between them that required any type of legitimate "repair".
Thanks Wiggum, great info. My American bias is admittedly due to Pontiac vehicles and my folks Chevy Malibu, which were the arm pit of the American car industry and all that was wrong with GM in the late 90's early 2000's.
My brother in Law's 2008 F150 has also been very problem free like yours, other than a Sunroof recently starting to leak around 70k.
But back to the topic of the thread, there is certainly a market for the expensive F150's, but it does still feel like they are getting a bit overpriced. We shall see. I'll X-Plan price one up when the 16's roll out and see what I can talk the dealer into.
I forgot to mention ... that 2005 Expy that my wife had ... we sold that to my brother & his wife, and she's still driving it now. She (my brother's wife) and her kids have been VERY hard on it, but it's suffered nothing from that abuse so far. In fact, she LOVES that vehicle, and plans on driving it until the wheels fall off, or until she and her husband hit the jackpot financially and can afford to upgrade and not have it hit them too hard in the wallet.
You're taking an XLT truck you can buy for $35,000 and paying nearly 2x that for bling. That's it. People that spend that kind of $$$$ on a light duty pickup just for options, are suckers IMHO.
Right now you can get a 2015 King Ranch S-Crew F250 4x4 diesel for $55K.
Makes ZERO sense to pay more then that for a light duty.
Where does an average BMW turn heads exactly ?? I don't mean to bust on ya but that humored me.
I was thinking maybe a high school, but outside of that it's just a sport sedan that's pretty common.
It's ok : ) I don't mind the busting as I know its sort of a roll your eyes sounding thing to say. But it's true, I get "Nice Car" comments from all walks of life, people at the gym, coworkers, older folks at the grocery store. I think it's a combination of how clean I keep the car and the not as common color combination. I see black, silver and white BMW's all day long that don't do anything for me though. All I've done to the car is window tint and wheels. I give compliments to clean and tastefully modded Trucks all the time as well.
Lastly, the wife and I have driven Land Rover vehicles, GMC's, Nissans, and Jeeps ... My parents and brothers have driven everything from Mercedes to Jaguar to BMW to Land Rover to Toyota, so on and so forth. What I CAN tell you is this ... the BMW's and Land Rovers were THE worst about having problems that required bringing them into the dealer/shop for repairs. On the flip side, my Ford, GMC and Nissan vehicles that the wife and I have owned over the last 14 years have had maybe 3 total issues between them that required any type of legitimate "repair".
I can assure you 100% for sure Land Rover is undoubtedly THE WORST.
BTW my experience with GM my entire life was great......I only left GM because of the Bailout/Banktupcy screwing us.
Land Rovers been at the bottom of JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Surveys for 10+ years.
Some years they won't even give JD Powers the data just to keep their name OFF the list.
These surveys are done after 3 years of ownership to determine the quality of manufacturing and reliability.
So every years results are for 3 years prior models. I.E. 2015 reports = 2012 year models.
I have also heard BMW reliability is not that great either, in fact it's about average on JD Powers surveys. Ford has surpassed BMW on several years of contention for being far more reliable. Now we all know individuals will have great and poor experiences. These survey thousands of dealers for repairs, and there's no bias in those reports IMHO.
Lexus is undoubtedly the best for 17 of the 19 years that report has run, and Camry is the "blue collar" #1 car in America for almost 30 years.
make no mistake, when the Rovers and Bimmers are running right, they are amazing vehicles ... it's just the part about keeping them out of the shop that will kill ya.
the Rover I had was a an older Discovery, and it was great for what it was. Solid front and rear axles, amazing 4WD system, and a generally nice vehicle. The issues I had with it were that the engine design was flawed, and constantly needed tuning. The Discovery was more of a true utility vehicle, but tried to be at least a little luxurious ... and it played that role well. But the the main things I didn't care for were how "narrow" the front seats were ... not just the seats, but the entire "space" for the driver ... it just felt cramped. It was also not well insulated from exterior sound, and the gearing was low so I was at high RPM's all the time, which means louder engine noise.
I was driving a LOT at the time, and it just got to be too uncomfortable to be in every day, for 30,000 miles or more a year.
Now, if I had been able to afford it as a secondary vehicle, I would have loved to have kept it to go play around in. But I traded it in on my 2008 FX4 and was MUCH happier... MUCH MUCH happier.
So, while I'm just rambling ... both my parents, and one of my brothers currently drive Range Rover Sports. My parents lease, and my brother bought his. All three of them have had numerous issues with them that required shop work at the dealer. They all love the trucks, but hate the maintenance and down-time.
Honestly - and I mean this as sincerely as I can say it - I think they look pretty cool, but overall I think my wife's '13 Expedition is every bit as nice - and quite frankly a better vehicle all the way around. It's hard to compare them apples to apples, but I mean what I say. My wife's truck has just as much leather inside ... it's just as powerful, fast and responsive ... it rides as good or better than the Rover sports ... it's WAY more trouble free ... so on and so forth. Again, the ONLY thing that I think the Rover has over the Expy is that the Rover is a "cooler looking" truck than the Expy ... and, it seems to command more "status power" if you will. But that's not something my wife and I care about.
I don't know what the current Range Rover sports sell for ... but my wife's loaded up Expy stickered for about $56K ... probably close to the Rover. And if you ask me, I'd say that's fair, if you consider that the price point is correct for both ... or even if you just consider them both as vehicles that should command about the same price, whatever that is.
Lastly ... Brand loyalty is a huge thing with most people when it comes to vehicles. While I wouldn't say my wife and I are exclusive Ford supporters, I can say we do LOVE Ford and have had nothing but great experiences with Ford with respect to the vehicles and our dealer. They (both Ford and our dealer) have made us "raving fans" ... and we will happily continue to drive Fords for the forseeable future.
Sure, at the price points we spend on vehicles, we could drive so many other "higher status" vehicles like BMW or Rover ... but we REALLY enjoy our Fords, and choose them over the others because we like those vehicles better ... NOT because we can't afford the others.
07-31-2015, 03:21 PM
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