Dealer holdback
03-27-2013, 08:36 AM
#31
Tacoma? I understand perfectly fine. I understand that when I would log on to DealerConnect (Ford's internal dealer website), pull up a unit from either our inventory, or from another dealer's inventory, print out copies of both the Moroni (window sticker), and Invoice (provided by the Manufacturer, no edits or alterations possible there), that those documents would stand scrutiny in any court of law in the 50 United States.
I understand that in every aspect of the Sales Manager working-up a deal from those documents, that the numbers provided therein were the basis of the deal, all the way through contracting with the customer, calculation of Gross Profits (see the "G" screen on any Reynolds & Reynolds system, the most common dealership software in use.), and subsequent sales commissions.
I understand that altering the actual, physical, hard-copy Dealer Invoice, as provided by the Manufacturer, is a FEDERAL FELONY under the Moroni Act, and that you nor any other puffed up, self-important, thinks-he-knows-it-all-customer, is absolutely never worth risking arrest, prosecution, fines and imprisonment, over a measly few hundred or thousand bucks.
I mean that exactly. You, sir, are not WORTH my stepping over the line to commit any crime, much less a high-publicity Federal Offense. I would never give that much of a damn about you, nor any deal you might represent to me.
And yes, I have escorted a few of your clones to the exits, with the backing of the Sales Manager, and asked 'em to leave the premises, simply because they would, like you, repeatedly insist that I and/or the dealership was lying, no matter the proof to the contrary. Or, that they would just not back away from absolutely ridiculous sets of numbers that they thought were "just", merely because they thought they had better numbers than those provided BY THE FACTORY on legally binding documents.
In short, I'm calling you out here, Tacoma. Put up or shut up. PROVE that the invoice is a lie, and what I mean by PROOF is NOT anecdotal stories, firmly held beliefs or other such tripe.
Tell us all here, now, just what evidence you would present in court, and not be laughed out of the same as a result, which would result in the Factory Invoice being "found guilty" of your accusations.
Do that, and I'll admit you the credence you mistakenly think you possess. Until then, do please desist from insisting a knowledge of which, you possess only a Supreme and Profound Ignorance?
Good day, sir.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I understand that in every aspect of the Sales Manager working-up a deal from those documents, that the numbers provided therein were the basis of the deal, all the way through contracting with the customer, calculation of Gross Profits (see the "G" screen on any Reynolds & Reynolds system, the most common dealership software in use.), and subsequent sales commissions.
I understand that altering the actual, physical, hard-copy Dealer Invoice, as provided by the Manufacturer, is a FEDERAL FELONY under the Moroni Act, and that you nor any other puffed up, self-important, thinks-he-knows-it-all-customer, is absolutely never worth risking arrest, prosecution, fines and imprisonment, over a measly few hundred or thousand bucks.
I mean that exactly. You, sir, are not WORTH my stepping over the line to commit any crime, much less a high-publicity Federal Offense. I would never give that much of a damn about you, nor any deal you might represent to me.
And yes, I have escorted a few of your clones to the exits, with the backing of the Sales Manager, and asked 'em to leave the premises, simply because they would, like you, repeatedly insist that I and/or the dealership was lying, no matter the proof to the contrary. Or, that they would just not back away from absolutely ridiculous sets of numbers that they thought were "just", merely because they thought they had better numbers than those provided BY THE FACTORY on legally binding documents.
In short, I'm calling you out here, Tacoma. Put up or shut up. PROVE that the invoice is a lie, and what I mean by PROOF is NOT anecdotal stories, firmly held beliefs or other such tripe.
Tell us all here, now, just what evidence you would present in court, and not be laughed out of the same as a result, which would result in the Factory Invoice being "found guilty" of your accusations.
Do that, and I'll admit you the credence you mistakenly think you possess. Until then, do please desist from insisting a knowledge of which, you possess only a Supreme and Profound Ignorance?
Good day, sir.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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03-27-2013, 06:34 PM
#33
Tacoma? I understand perfectly fine. I understand that when I would log on to DealerConnect (Ford's internal dealer website), pull up a unit from either our inventory, or from another dealer's inventory, print out copies of both the Moroni (window sticker), and Invoice (provided by the Manufacturer, no edits or alterations possible there), that those documents would stand scrutiny in any court of law in the 50 United States.
I understand that in every aspect of the Sales Manager working-up a deal from those documents, that the numbers provided therein were the basis of the deal, all the way through contracting with the customer, calculation of Gross Profits (see the "G" screen on any Reynolds & Reynolds system, the most common dealership software in use.), and subsequent sales commissions.
I understand that altering the actual, physical, hard-copy Dealer Invoice, as provided by the Manufacturer, is a FEDERAL FELONY under the Moroni Act, and that you nor any other puffed up, self-important, thinks-he-knows-it-all-customer, is absolutely never worth risking arrest, prosecution, fines and imprisonment, over a measly few hundred or thousand bucks.
I mean that exactly. You, sir, are not WORTH my stepping over the line to commit any crime, much less a high-publicity Federal Offense. I would never give that much of a damn about you, nor any deal you might represent to me.
And yes, I have escorted a few of your clones to the exits, with the backing of the Sales Manager, and asked 'em to leave the premises, simply because they would, like you, repeatedly insist that I and/or the dealership was lying, no matter the proof to the contrary. Or, that they would just not back away from absolutely ridiculous sets of numbers that they thought were "just", merely because they thought they had better numbers than those provided BY THE FACTORY on legally binding documents.
In short, I'm calling you out here, Tacoma. Put up or shut up. PROVE that the invoice is a lie, and what I mean by PROOF is NOT anecdotal stories, firmly held beliefs or other such tripe.
Tell us all here, now, just what evidence you would present in court, and not be laughed out of the same as a result, which would result in the Factory Invoice being "found guilty" of your accusations.
Do that, and I'll admit you the credence you mistakenly think you possess. Until then, do please desist from insisting a knowledge of which, you possess only a Supreme and Profound Ignorance?
Good day, sir.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I understand that in every aspect of the Sales Manager working-up a deal from those documents, that the numbers provided therein were the basis of the deal, all the way through contracting with the customer, calculation of Gross Profits (see the "G" screen on any Reynolds & Reynolds system, the most common dealership software in use.), and subsequent sales commissions.
I understand that altering the actual, physical, hard-copy Dealer Invoice, as provided by the Manufacturer, is a FEDERAL FELONY under the Moroni Act, and that you nor any other puffed up, self-important, thinks-he-knows-it-all-customer, is absolutely never worth risking arrest, prosecution, fines and imprisonment, over a measly few hundred or thousand bucks.
I mean that exactly. You, sir, are not WORTH my stepping over the line to commit any crime, much less a high-publicity Federal Offense. I would never give that much of a damn about you, nor any deal you might represent to me.
And yes, I have escorted a few of your clones to the exits, with the backing of the Sales Manager, and asked 'em to leave the premises, simply because they would, like you, repeatedly insist that I and/or the dealership was lying, no matter the proof to the contrary. Or, that they would just not back away from absolutely ridiculous sets of numbers that they thought were "just", merely because they thought they had better numbers than those provided BY THE FACTORY on legally binding documents.
In short, I'm calling you out here, Tacoma. Put up or shut up. PROVE that the invoice is a lie, and what I mean by PROOF is NOT anecdotal stories, firmly held beliefs or other such tripe.
Tell us all here, now, just what evidence you would present in court, and not be laughed out of the same as a result, which would result in the Factory Invoice being "found guilty" of your accusations.
Do that, and I'll admit you the credence you mistakenly think you possess. Until then, do please desist from insisting a knowledge of which, you possess only a Supreme and Profound Ignorance?
Good day, sir.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I got a new 2013 FX4 for less than most people pay for a STX!
03-27-2013, 06:44 PM
#34
Tacoma, I believe that you're lying to us.
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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03-27-2013, 07:00 PM
#35
Beer Gut Extraordinaire
Tacoma, I believe that you're lying to us.
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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03-27-2013, 07:02 PM
#36
Senior Member
TacOma, where's a pic of that truck??????
I understand you paid too much for your truck and ur mad that others got their new F150 far under the invoice price you got and you lash out at me, I would be upset too, I understand the post was deleted when I stated the final cost of my new FX4 cause it made people upset that I got a super deal and you didn't,,, but I really don't care what you paid for your truck.
I got a new 2013 FX4 for less than most people pay for a STX!
I got a new 2013 FX4 for less than most people pay for a STX!
03-27-2013, 07:04 PM
#37
Tacoma, I believe that you're lying to us.
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
03-27-2013, 07:05 PM
#38
Senior Member
He won't post a pic of the truck, he's surely not going to post a bill of sale......
Tacoma, I believe that you're lying to us.
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Post a Notarized copy of your Sales Agreement, and F&I contract to prove your purchase, or you're just B.S.ing everyone here.
Feel free, of course, to black out your full name, address and other personal identifiers. But, put a bona-fide Sales Agreement up, from an Authorized Ford Dealer Franchise. Black out the last 5 numbers of your VIN, as well. I truly don't want you to compromise your personal information here.
But, for now, you've only provided heresay evidence, which isn't even worth the bytes with which it's written.
Until such time as you proffer actual proof of your claims, I shall continue to hold you out as the liar and fraud which you act to be.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Last edited by gregsf150stx; 03-27-2013 at 07:14 PM.
03-27-2013, 07:05 PM
#39
Beer Gut Extraordinaire
thats funny! you make me laugh! you're jelious ha ha ha ! like i said before my reputation is already ruined in this forum and I could care less what you think,,,, but I LOVE it knowing its making you mad cause thats how i know I got a great deal on my truck! If you would never take my word for it in some way you would just ignore me,,,, but I know there is a little bone picking away in your brain saying "maybe he's right, maybe he is telling the truth"??? huh? but you see? or maybe you don't understand you're just not worth it, ur not a good friend that I would trust with that information
