Death of the Lightning.
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Won't argue that electric isn't the right direction to be heading, just observing that the technology is nowhere near ready for large-scale prime time...yet. Plus, when it comes to dino fuels and oils, well, looking way on down the road, they ain't making no more of that stuff to continue pumping out of the ground forever.
Yeah, got the range limitations and anxieties and charge time issues with individual electric vehicles related to gas or diesel vehicles.
Then get into cost issues between slower but more cost-effective charging at the house, versus the unbelievable premiums charged by the faster super-chargers. Before tire wear costs and legislative road tax costs finally catch up.
Bigger picture is where all this power is coming from, as on-demand use all you want we'll make more fossil fuel plants are being shuttered at as seeming faster rate than all the weather-permitting green-weenie solar and wind plants are coming on without a viable storage technology - IMO, massive battery banks are not the complete solution towards cost-effective reliable power anytime anywhere.
Especially given the chatter on the risks of an A.I. bubble burst because there's not enough available power on the market to ramp up all their planned data centers taxing the existing electrical system.
If a government subsidy is the only thing making electric vehicles attractive to many, consider the sorry success rate of all the other things which the government has gotten involved in which ended up better off. 42 million people now getting SNAP grocery aid then howling like an old Chrysler hemi-powered civil defense siren when the money for absolutely nothing in return stream burped for a couple weeks should be an indicator on the likelihood of success.
Yeah, got the range limitations and anxieties and charge time issues with individual electric vehicles related to gas or diesel vehicles.
Then get into cost issues between slower but more cost-effective charging at the house, versus the unbelievable premiums charged by the faster super-chargers. Before tire wear costs and legislative road tax costs finally catch up.
Bigger picture is where all this power is coming from, as on-demand use all you want we'll make more fossil fuel plants are being shuttered at as seeming faster rate than all the weather-permitting green-weenie solar and wind plants are coming on without a viable storage technology - IMO, massive battery banks are not the complete solution towards cost-effective reliable power anytime anywhere.
Especially given the chatter on the risks of an A.I. bubble burst because there's not enough available power on the market to ramp up all their planned data centers taxing the existing electrical system.
If a government subsidy is the only thing making electric vehicles attractive to many, consider the sorry success rate of all the other things which the government has gotten involved in which ended up better off. 42 million people now getting SNAP grocery aid then howling like an old Chrysler hemi-powered civil defense siren when the money for absolutely nothing in return stream burped for a couple weeks should be an indicator on the likelihood of success.
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Won't argue that electric isn't the right direction to be heading, just observing that the technology is nowhere near ready for large-scale prime time...yet. Plus, when it comes to dino fuels and oils, well, looking way on down the road, they ain't making no more of that stuff to continue pumping out of the ground forever.
Yeah, got the range limitations and anxieties and charge time issues with individual electric vehicles related to gas or diesel vehicles.
Then get into cost issues between slower but more cost-effective charging at the house, versus the unbelievable premiums charged by the faster super-chargers. Before tire wear costs and legislative road tax costs finally catch up.
Bigger picture is where all this power is coming from, as on-demand use all you want we'll make more fossil fuel plants are being shuttered at as seeming faster rate than all the weather-permitting green-weenie solar and wind plants are coming on without a viable storage technology - IMO, massive battery banks are not the complete solution towards cost-effective reliable power anytime anywhere.
Especially given the chatter on the risks of an A.I. bubble burst because there's not enough available power on the market to ramp up all their planned data centers taxing the existing electrical system.
If a government subsidy is the only thing making electric vehicles attractive to many, consider the sorry success rate of all the other things which the government has gotten involved in which ended up better off. 42 million people now getting SNAP grocery aid then howling like an old Chrysler hemi-powered civil defense siren when the money for absolutely nothing in return stream burped for a couple weeks should be an indicator on the likelihood of success.
Yeah, got the range limitations and anxieties and charge time issues with individual electric vehicles related to gas or diesel vehicles.
Then get into cost issues between slower but more cost-effective charging at the house, versus the unbelievable premiums charged by the faster super-chargers. Before tire wear costs and legislative road tax costs finally catch up.
Bigger picture is where all this power is coming from, as on-demand use all you want we'll make more fossil fuel plants are being shuttered at as seeming faster rate than all the weather-permitting green-weenie solar and wind plants are coming on without a viable storage technology - IMO, massive battery banks are not the complete solution towards cost-effective reliable power anytime anywhere.
Especially given the chatter on the risks of an A.I. bubble burst because there's not enough available power on the market to ramp up all their planned data centers taxing the existing electrical system.
If a government subsidy is the only thing making electric vehicles attractive to many, consider the sorry success rate of all the other things which the government has gotten involved in which ended up better off. 42 million people now getting SNAP grocery aid then howling like an old Chrysler hemi-powered civil defense siren when the money for absolutely nothing in return stream burped for a couple weeks should be an indicator on the likelihood of success.
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Mining Cobalt and Lithium for batteries will run out long before oil and natural gas are depleted. The only way electric is going to work is with Nuclear generation. The electric infrastructure is barely able to handle all the power requirements for massive data centers providing The Cloud. No way the addition of homeowners charging electric vehicles is sustainable, until Nuclear is the std. energy production.