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Old Dec 6, 2021 | 01:49 PM
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Does anyone have any information on whether Ford is planning to offer the powerboost/hybrid in a supercab? I don't need four doors and huge back seat!

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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 11:53 AM
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Does anyone have any information on whether Ford is planning to offer the powerboost/hybrid in a supercab? I don't need four doors and huge back seat!

Thanks!
Hello, I just joined the forum as I'm in the market for a new truck. It's been 6 months since you posted this question and I see not a single reply. A Powerboost SuperCab would be my choice as well. Anyother sources of information that might answer this question?
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 12:28 PM
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nope. ford would have to develop a smaller battery pack
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Old Jun 14, 2022 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by djfllmn
nope. ford would have to develop a smaller battery pack
A Supercab with a shortbed is exactly the same wheelbase as the SuperCrew with an extra-short bed (145.4"). The SuperCab long bed is 7" longer than a SuperCrew with the 6.5' shortbed (164.1" vs 157.2").

So theoretically, there should be more than enough underbody room to fit the battery pack, especially given that the cargo bed floor is significantly higher than the cabin floor.

Only the Regular cab models are shorter, with the shortbed being 122.5" and the longbed 141.8".

Up until 2015, Ford also offered a Regular Cab with an extra-short bed that also came on the 122.5" wheelbase. In 2004-2008, all Regular cabs were 4-door, meaning they also shared the then 144" wheelbase.

The SuperCrew 8' bed is only a Super Duty option, in a 176" wheelbase. Note that the Super Duty short bed ("6.75'", aka 81.9") wheelbases are not exactly the same as the comparable cab/bed configurations in the F-150, due to the 3.7" difference in shortbed length. Longbed (98.1") configurations are very close.

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​​Extra-short bed: 5.5' (67.1")
Short bed: 6.5' (78.2")
Long bed: 8' (97.6")
Regular cab: 83.8" (FA to back of cab)
Supercab: 106.4"
Supercrew: 118.2"

Also of note, is that every model, including the 141.8" wheelbase, with the exclusion of the 122.5", can fit the 36 gallon tank. Given that a 145.4" can fit a 30 gallon tank and battery, I begin to wonder if the 157.2" (and especially 164.1") models could fit both a 36 gallon tank and a battery...

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Old Jun 14, 2022 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Steel City 07
A Supercab with a shortbed is exactly the same wheelbase as the SuperCrew with an extra-short bed (145.4"). The SuperCab long bed is 7" longer than a SuperCrew with the 6.5' shortbed (164.1" vs 157.2").

So theoretically, there should be more than enough underbody room to fit the battery pack, especially given that the cargo bed floor is significantly higher than the cabin floor.

Only the Regular cab models are shorter, with the shortbed being 122.5" and the longbed 141.8".

Up until 2015, Ford also offered a Regular Cab with an extra-short bed that also came on the 122.5" wheelbase. In 2004-2008, all Regular cabs were 4-door, meaning they also shared the then 144" wheelbase.

The SuperCrew 8' bed is only a Super Duty option, in a 176" wheelbase. Note that the Super Duty short bed ("6.75'", aka 81.9") wheelbases are not exactly the same as the comparable cab/bed configurations in the F-150, due to the 3.7" difference in shortbed length. Longbed (98.1") configurations are very close.

Note:
​​Extra-short bed: 5.5' (67.1")
Short bed: 6.5' (78.2")
Long bed: 8' (97.6")
Regular cab: 83.8" (FA to back of cab)
Supercab: 106.4"
Supercrew: 118.2"

Also of note, is that every model, including the 141.8" wheelbase, with the exclusion of the 122.5", can fit the 36 gallon tank. Given that a 145.4" can fit a 30 gallon tank and battery, I begin to wonder if the 157.2" (and especially 164.1") models could fit both a 36 gallon tank and a battery...
Right, but Ford already said they won't make it. It's more than fitting a battery and fuel tank, it's also where they store the larger inverter and secondary 12v battery, which is under the second row seats in the Crew Cab. They would also have to carry other lengths of high voltage cables because those items even if they fit in a SuperCab under seat, would be at a different location than the current Crew Cab.

Adding more varieties of options for the PB would have meant adding more varieties of other parts that are only used in the PowerBoost, high voltage cables, the 12v battery container and its associated wires, probably a handful of things we aren't even aware of that would need to be of different lengths or sizes to accommodate a percent of buyers that wouldn't overcome the expense in the additional engineering and part sourcing and storage. They can do a variety of body styles and wheelbase lengths with the other engines because the main difference for all of them is mainly driveshaft length. The PB has other components at different sections of the truck and it would certainly require additional complexity to what is already a complex variety of builds. It just isn't worth it for what would be a low volume variety.

Ford might make more varieties of PB trucks and Lightning trucks when those models become a larger portion of the sales mix. But there's no logical business reason to do it now.
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Old Jun 14, 2022 | 06:30 PM
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Right, but Ford already said they won't make it. It's more than fitting a battery and fuel tank, it's also where they store the larger inverter and secondary 12v battery, which is under the second row seats in the Crew Cab. They would also have to carry other lengths of high voltage cables because those items even if they fit in a SuperCab under seat, would be at a different location than the current Crew Cab.

Adding more varieties of options for the PB would have meant adding more varieties of other parts that are only used in the PowerBoost, high voltage cables, the 12v battery container and its associated wires, probably a handful of things we aren't even aware of that would need to be of different lengths or sizes to accommodate a percent of buyers that wouldn't overcome the expense in the additional engineering and part sourcing and storage. They can do a variety of body styles and wheelbase lengths with the other engines because the main difference for all of them is mainly driveshaft length. The PB has other components at different sections of the truck and it would certainly require additional complexity to what is already a complex variety of builds. It just isn't worth it for what would be a low volume variety.

Ford might make more varieties of PB trucks and Lightning trucks when those models become a larger portion of the sales mix. But there's no logical business reason to do it now.
I agree with all of the above.

I think the biggest reason is simply profit margins.

Supercrew trucks have a MUCH higher markup than regular cab and even Supercab models. The average user who buys a Supercrew is doing so for recreational purposes, not for business use. And they're willing to spend for it. These buyers are also the ones willing to drop major coin on a high-performance powertrain.

Meanwhile, the average regular cab (and supercab longbed) user is mainly buying it for business use or as a work truck. These are also the models sought out by fleets. These buyers are far more sensitive to price than the average Supercrew buyer, and are less likely to drop major coin on a new propulsion system that is really more of a "cool thing" than practical.

This is the same reason the Lightning only currently comes in the Supercrew with the extra-short bed. The people who buy that cab/bed configuration are generally the ones willing to spend the most for every last luxury, including a new and exciting powertrain. Someone looking to equip a fleet or expand their business is more likely going to balk at the sticker price and buy a cheaper model.
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Old Jun 14, 2022 | 07:28 PM
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The supercab simply isn't popular enough for all the things being mentioned in this thread that add complexity/cost/logistics to yet another possible combination.
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 12:17 AM
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I agree, I was in the same boat, I got a supercab with the 8ft bed, If I could have got the power boost I would have. I ended up having to put a 3000W inverter in. Its a work truck, and I wanted the more truck bed to be able to put my gear in, but I still wanted a small back seat so I could put things like my clothes and computer... when I am working out of town. I put ball park 5000km on per month, so I wanted a truck that did have a little more to it, so I went with the XLT with the 302 package. My last truck didn't even have blue tooth so it was a big step up. But ya I could have used that pro-power option for being able to use tools and such and power up sites during power outages.



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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 12:25 AM
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I agree, I was in the same boat, I got a supercab with the 8ft bed, If I could have got the power boost I would have. I ended up having to put a 3000W inverter in. Its a work truck, and I wanted the more truck bed to be able to put my gear in, but I still wanted a small back seat so I could put things like my clothes and computer... when I am working out of town. I put ball park 5000km on per month, so I wanted a truck that did have a little more to it, so I went with the XLT with the 302 package. My last truck didn't even have blue tooth so it was a big step up. But ya I could have used that pro-power option for being able to use tools and such and power up sites during power outages.


Are those ducks sitting over past the truck? If so, why aren't they at some water, pond or lake?
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 10:35 AM
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Left the Power Boost world for a ICE vehicle.

There are way to many more unique things going on with a power boost that can go wrong and didn't like the odds of getting one fixed in a timely manner if things went BAD.

Only had a XLT 302a and in less than 1 year had a new 22 XLT 302a on order with the 2.7 Payload Package. Took delivery 4/8/22

Getting with in 1 mile a gallon of what the Power Boost did and doing a lot more real truck work with the 2.7 payload package in the 1rst 1000 miles than in the 6000 miles in the power boost.

The year spent driving the power boost was like any other truck, but they do have some annoyances and their own set of quirks to be dealt with.

Will be staying with the 2.7 for some time to come. Had (2) 3.5 max tow vehicles before the power boost as one always wants more, but sometimes more is not the right way to go.
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