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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 01:31 PM
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My research says that a spray-in liner weighs 70 pounds. 70 pounds at 13% tongue weight yields 538 pounds more trailer. Respectfully, if 70 pounds makes that much difference to you, you're towing too close to your maximums. Are you taking into account the weight of the rain on the trailer? Or the snow on the roof of the trailer that you didn't clean off? What if the wife puts too many canned goods on the shelf.
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
My research says that a spray-in liner weighs 70 pounds. 70 pounds at 13% tongue weight yields 538 pounds more trailer. Respectfully, if 70 pounds makes that much difference to you, you're towing too close to your maximums. Are you taking into account the weight of the rain on the trailer? Or the snow on the roof of the trailer that you didn't clean off? What if the wife puts too many canned goods on the shelf.
There doesn't seem to be any obvious 300 lbs option that I could drop to gain the payload. So, trying to get 70 lbs from bedliner with ? from FX4 with ? from 20" wheels with ? from power running boards and so on to get to a number that will allow us to stay comfortably within the GVWR. Ford doesn't make it easier to do the math as I don't really know what each option really weighs. I don't know what's the alternative. We could just go for the 8 cyl engine and stop worrying about the payload, or we can look to raise the payload to gain a greater comfort factor. For what it is worth - the absolute must payload we require is -
  • 750 lbs for the tongue weight (the mfr rating is 630 lbs and the 750 lbs is the number I have seen from the owners)
  • 280 lbs (driver + passenger weight - with 10 lbs room for the clothing and dirt on the shoes)
  • 110 lbs (hitch and hitch components - again validated from the mfr and owners)
So, we need an absolute minimum of 1140 lbs in payload. Yet, we are striving to get to 1450+ lbs range (about 300 lbs cushion) to cover estimation errors, additional passenger (extremely rare) or additional items we might decide to carry in the bed or trailer (which adds a portion to the tongue weight). So, we are trying not to cut it as close as suggested - or so we think.

The trailer weight (loaded) is less than 5500 lbs, so we are not even close to the GCVWR.

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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kavm
There doesn't seem to be any obvious 300 lbs option that I could drop to gain the payload. So, trying to get 70 lbs from bedliner with ? from FX4 with ? from 20" wheels with ? from power running boards and so on to get to a number that will allow us to stay comfortably within the GVWR. Ford doesn't make it easier to do the math as I don't really know what each option really weighs. I don't know what's the alternative. We could just go for the 8 cyl engine and stop worrying about the payload, or we can look to raise the payload to gain a greater comfort factor. For what it is worth - the absolute must payload we require is -
  • 750 lbs for the tongue weight (the mfr rating is 630 lbs and the 750 lbs is the number I have seen from the owners)
  • 280 lbs (driver + passenger weight - with 10 lbs room for the clothing and dirt on the shoes)
  • 110 lbs (hitch and hitch components - again validated from the mfr and owners)
So, we need an absolute minimum of 1140 lbs in payload. Yet, we are striving to get to 1450+ lbs range (about 300 lbs cushion) to cover estimation errors, additional passenger (extremely rare) or additional items we might decide to carry in the bed or trailer (which adds a portion to the tongue weight). So, we are trying not to cut it as close as suggested - or so we think.

The trailer weight (loaded) is less than 5500 lbs, so we are not even close to the GCVWR.
In these threads you never see:

"My wife and I plan on losing a bunch of weight"... It's always the truck's fault...
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
In these threads you never see:

"My wife and I plan on losing a bunch of weight"... It's always the truck's fault...

Gee - I do not know if you just got off on the wrong side of the bed or something else. This is about wanting to get payload with PB that we can live with. It is not about us being wrong about the payload, losing weight (our BMI is around 20, thank you!), or truck's fault. Trying to have a serious dialog about the options we have in front of us. Hoping to get useful advice or insight on the topic from senior members such as yourself.
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 02:48 PM
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Your analysis is fairly close to what I had come up with. The other thing to consider is the PB numbers will be quoted with the 2.4, not the 7.2 invertor and most will get that lowering the payload even more.
I wonder if they are just using the two of the inverters used in the 2.4 for the 7.2? The 2.4kw might be limited by the 20A outlet as 120v * 20A = 2.4kw. Using 2x120v phases for 240v with a 30A outlet is 7.2kw. I bet there is more information out there. I don't think an extra inverter will add a whole lot of extra weight as well as the extra conductor. Though I could be wrong.

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I have a plat on order doing as much as possible to help payload. I removed sunroof, FX4 etc. and I am hopefull I will get 1500. Even if you selected a base plat 4x2 with no options at all I suspect you will not be over 1600. If you need 1800+ you need to get a low optioned 302a.
Not without making drastic changes like removing the powered running boards.

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I am in a similar boat. I have been dropping options:
  • Dropped FX4 for 4x4
  • Spray bedliner for no bedliner
  • Retractable tonneau for no tonneau
  • No moonroof (preference)
But, not sure if this will be enough to get an acceptable payload on a Plat - PB - 4x4 - 6.5" - 701A - Heavy tow package - 7.2kW - Work surface - lockable storage setup. I will be looking to see what payload that fetches but assuming the worst - the next ideas are a bit more drastic -
  • Drop Platinum for King Ranch (don't really like the KR style as much)
  • Forgo the 601A for base 600A package
This would get me to 18" wheels and no power running boards. I am sure that'd get me sufficient payload (hoping for 1450+). But it costs me Active Motion seats. With a back back that hurts in long drives , I have been very keen to include the Active Motion seats. I am not able to see any way to get the Active Motion seats with 18" wheels and no power running boards.
The 6.5' 4x4 does have the worst max payload out of the various configurations:



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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 03:54 PM
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@solarity - Indeed. I am happy for the small mercies in that the payload for the 6.5' box is only 20 lbs less than the 5.5' box 4x4.

Is there any way to get indicative weight gain for some of things one can do to gain payload?
  • FX4 (for 4x4)
  • Spray bedliner
  • Moonroof
  • 20" wheels for 18" wheels
  • Powered running boards
If there were some good numbers for these items - we could make the tradeoffs and have a somewhat accurate expectation for the payload when ordering. Thanks!
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kavm
@solarity - Indeed. I am happy for the small mercies in that the payload for the 6.5' box is only 20 lbs less than the 5.5' box 4x4.

Is there any way to get indicative weight gain for some of things one can do to gain payload?
  • FX4 (for 4x4)
  • Spray bedliner
  • Moonroof
  • 20" wheels for 18" wheels
  • Powered running boards
If there were some good numbers for these items - we could make the tradeoffs and have a somewhat accurate expectation for the payload when ordering. Thanks!
The payload guide is not out for the new model but the old one is available. Attached.
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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Thank you! I just don't know how good the numbers are for this year's options.

Hoping that they release the payload guide soon... When does Ford offer it...
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Old Dec 3, 2020 | 05:26 PM
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I hope we have a ‘post your payload’ thread for the 2021’s as they start rolling in and people can see the stickers.
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