In agreement based on current camera implementations. But I am quite confident in Tesla’s ability to innovate. On that they have an excellent track record (e.g. the Model S had software updates 10 years ago, the overall industry still has not caught up to this), Tesla sentry mode instead of dashcams etc). Simple solutions exist, for example a HUD display showing around the car with symbols. One could ‘see’ around and in the back without taking one’s eyes from the road. Tesla has the AI for their self driving to easily make that happen.

Another factor for me for both Lightning and Cybertruck, rust protection. Lightning is aluminum, Tesla is stainless. I tend to keep my vehicles the longest time and our roads are “salty” a quarter of the year.

 

I made an attempt to do an apples to apples comparison between my 2022 Platinum powerboost to the Lightning Platinum. MSRP to MSRP, the Lightning was $16,000 more. It would never pay for itself. I'm glad I dropped my reservation and went hybrid.

 

Same.

A little too expensive to be a first adopter for me. Also, impatient

 

I just went to the Ford.com website and a 2022 F-150 XLT Supercrew with standard range is $20,000 less than the extended range which is $72,474. The other thing I find quite interesting is that the batteries longevity depending on charging times (which is NOT on the Ford.com website) but none the less could conceivably by upwards of $10,000 to $20,000 investment on top of the original cost summary.


PRICING SUMMARY

• BASE MSRPS1
  $72,474
• OPTIONSS4 & ACCESSORIESS8
  + $3,350
• DESTINATION CHARGESS17
  + $1,695
• TOTAL MSRPS16
  = $77,519
• ESTIMATED NET PRICES5
  = $77,519

 

Did you factor in the $7500 tax credit? (depending on your tax situation) Factor that in, plus in some cases added state incentives and the overall cost of ownership is lower.

 

I guess what you mean is that longevity depends on always “ filling up” the battery to max capacity. That is true, similar to any phone, power tool etc. All EV’s allow to charge up to a set point. So one can charge overnight tp 75% for daily use, and 100% for the occasional road trip.

The 10k to 20k number is for replacing the battery? A battery will last for the useful life of the car. It will degrade slowly, but there is data now on high mileage EV’s with good capacity left. At high mileage, replacing a battery would be identical with replacing an engine in terms of cost.

 

I don't believe it is a certainty that you will receive a tax credit. There are only so many credits available per manufacturer.

 

Believe me when I state this, I found a person that purchased a used Tesla EV, he has owned it for about 18 months and the expected range dropped significantly to the point he was told the lithium batteries had to be replaced at a whopping $20,000. Now I acknowledge I don’t know the year of the Tesla or the mileage when this person bought it, I did ask the question about battery life several months ago on this thread and didn’t receive a response. If anything all I want if for everyone to be informed. I personally have a geothermal heating/ac for my house along with a 18.5 kWh ground mount solar system. I want to get the most bang for my buck, “if” I were to buy a EV pickup truck. I did find the worst thing to do is charge a EV after every use, IE don’t charge it at home daily because doing so will wear down the battery life quicker.

 

The hard part on Li Ion based batteries is running them down to empty and letting them sit very long at all at 100. The sweet spot is between 20 and 80 and Tesla's motto is a Plugged in Tesla is a Happy Tesla. So it doesn't matter how often you plug it in, just don't charge about 90% unless you need it and don't do it even the night before. Use scheduled charging to hit the mark just before you need to leave.

It is my understanding the Ford battery chemistry is not the same as Tesla, but perhaps close, still Li Ion based. There is a TON of research and published studies on these batteries. No one has to go on hear say. Just google away and read the studies.

 

Charging to 100% overnight before a day when you need the range is a non-issue. Being at 100% charge for hours before you use it is perfectly fine. Also, Ford keeps part of the battery unusable, so 100% isn't 100%. Mach-E has a 98 kWh battery with 88kWh usable, recently upped to 91kWh, so you are only using 93% anyway. They keep the reserve at the top and bottom, so if you did go to zero, it's still not empty. Lightning will likely be the same.

Normal usage charging to 90% is suggested.