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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 05:27 PM
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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 2013OKRubyRed
Why don't these EV's have an alternator that self charges while they run? With all the excellent engineers in the world one would think this was the way to go, but there is more to this move to EV's than meets the eye...
doesn't make enough power to charge these massive batteries .. actually what some tesla owners found is they bought solar panels and tesla power walls in hopes to charge their cars, but even those weren't enough power to charge the cars and they ended up going back to the main grid to be able to charge the cars. A lot even charge on off hours to save money. Also supercharging isn't free as Stu said .. if you get an older model S they still allow free charging and the free charging was also only available for new cars, you couldn't buy a used tesla from someone and get the free charging.

we still rely heavily on fossil fuels .. to date only 3 tesla's have been delivered to a dealership on an all electric semi ... the rest are transported on diesel trucks
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2013OKRubyRed
Why don't these EV's have an alternator that self charges while they run? With all the excellent engineers in the world one would think this was the way to go, but there is more to this move to EV's than meets the eye...
They do, they have regenerative braking

But you can't just turn a wheel from a battery, and then capture more energy that came out of the wheel to start, otherwise you'd have more than 100% of the energy

The energy out the pack going into the wheels is to drive the car, you can't just capture energy that isn't there. Capturing energy from the wheels turning while driving is regenerative braking, as it slows the car down
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:19 PM
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I personally will not be making the switch to EV. I currently work from home and the day Dianne Feinstein gets her wish for the whole US as she has for CA where all cars must have zero emissions i will stop driving... recently i was offered a Porsche Taycan Turbo S as a loaner and i defiantly said no no no ... service manager told me all the specs and how fast it was and i said nope.. and took a slow SUV
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by doug97gxe
doesn't make enough power to charge these massive batteries .. actually what some tesla owners found is they bought solar panels and tesla power walls in hopes to charge their cars, but even those weren't enough power to charge the cars and they ended up going back to the main grid to be able to charge the cars. A lot even charge on off hours to save money. Also supercharging isn't free as Stu said .. if you get an older model S they still allow free charging and the free charging was also only available for new cars, you couldn't buy a used tesla from someone and get the free charging.

we still rely heavily on fossil fuels .. to date only 3 tesla's have been delivered to a dealership on an all electric semi ... the rest are transported on diesel trucks
You absolutely can charge your car from solar... There are countless examples out there, a quick search gets me this guy. 2 Teslas, going off grid for 30+ days and he doesn't even have a very big solar array


If you just search "off grid powerwall" you can find videos of a ton of people doing it

Lots of really, really, really, really old misinformation in this thread. Did I just enter an old peoples home?
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:34 PM
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I wouldn't mind having an EV as an suv or something smaller and a gas/diesel truck (granted if I can ever afford two vehicles, not likely anytime soon). But aren't there some issues with fires with the Tesla battery and the solar panels that they put on the Walmart roofs? Serious question, don't bite my head off, I genuinely want to know because I feel like I read something about that. I think for this to actually happen (as soon as possible) all the companies will need to use the same charging port inputs. For analogy, apple charges and Samsung chargers, both different but can both be plugged into the brick and charged in the wall. I feel like for widespread use and logistics, every vehicle will need to have a common charging mechanism.

Then what about gas stations? they are private businesses, do those get phased out for private charging stations? Is the government going to subsidize charging stations in their place? so many questions. I admit the push for making it happen as quick as possible might enhance the speed of adequate technology but that can also lead to errors. As many have stated, I think its coming but the technology is just not there yet to phase out NAI's. I think they will both have to be offered for atleast a decade or more while the technology catches up. Also, all the folks I grew up with would go out of their way to drive refurbished old trucks before buying an electric truck, if that was all that was offered. Interesting times we live in, we need to find the front runner for the battery technology company and invest in it either way, could be a good way to make some investment gains.
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by doug97gxe
doesn't make enough power to charge these massive batteries .. actually what some tesla owners found is they bought solar panels and tesla power walls in hopes to charge their cars, but even those weren't enough power to charge the cars and they ended up going back to the main grid to be able to charge the cars. A lot even charge on off hours to save money. Also supercharging isn't free as Stu said .. if you get an older model S they still allow free charging and the free charging was also only available for new cars, you couldn't buy a used tesla from someone and get the free charging.

we still rely heavily on fossil fuels .. to date only 3 tesla's have been delivered to a dealership on an all electric semi ... the rest are transported on diesel trucks
One more informative post as to the immaturity of battery and battery charging tech and infrastructure. We are a long way away from a robust, long duration, battery and charging infrastructure, providing an all electric vehicle with safe, reliable range and power, that is equivalent to the internal combustion engine and gas stations.
Question: Since charging stations are not free, what is the cost at a charging station to fully re-charge a Tesla? How does this compare to the cost per mile of gas or diesel?
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Cazzo
If everyone had the frame of mind as most do on this subject in this thread...we would all still be riding horses.

Buying a Tesla, yes using the super charge facilities is free.
Your information is several years out of date. New Teslas do not have free Supercharging. That I have seen Tesla charges $0.28/kWh where allowed to bill by kWh. In other areas billed by the minute for essentially same cost.

My 2013 Model S still has free lifetime use of the Supercharger network. But it is not worth the time or effort to drive 30 miles round trip plus sit for 30 minutes to save $5 on my electric bill.

https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pioneerlion
One of my peeves with all electric vehicles and charging is that, electricity is generally still a secondary energy source from fossil fuels, especially where solar and wind generation are not widely available and distributed. As others have said in this thread, it’s not “cleaner” and “greener” until the whole electrical generation portion of the grid is non-fossil fuels.
You are parroting talking points from propagandists. An exercise for you (I have done): 1) Go find the emissions of coal-fired electric power generation in the USA (EPA websites have this data). 2) www.fueleconomy.gov has data on from-grid power per mile for EVs and emissions data for gasoline automobiles. The comparison isn’t as simple as it should because you have to convert units. The power grid is 98% efficient at delivering generated power.

What you will find is that 100% coal electricity in a power hungry Tesla Model S results on similar greenhouse gas emissions as gasoline in a 30 MPG automobile. An efficient Tesla Model 3 is comparable to 44 MPG. BUT the EV can effortlessly power from nuclear electricity, natural gas, hydro, solar, or oil. The gasoline engine requires extreme measures to dilute gasoline only 10% with ethanol.

Power generators idle at night. Plenty of electric generation capacity exists.
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 10:09 PM
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Lots of really, really, really, really old misinformation in this thread. Did I just enter an old peoples home?
Yes, unfortunately you may be correct, LOL.

Anyway, neither the Federal Government or anyone else is going to kill the ICE.

But what is going to make it obsolete is the marketplace, people are going to stop buying ICE's in today's quantities, because BEV's are cheaper to operate. Never happen? Then you were too young, or don't remember, when people traded in perfectly good V-8's for high MPG econoboxes, by the millions.

Yes, if you tow 10,000#, or drive 500 miles a day, every day, you will still need an ICE to do it. But you will be in the minority.

Most people don't realize how much cheaper a BEV can be to run. Here are some hard, indisputable numbers.

The AWD Mach E below is EPA rated at 36 KWH to go 100 miles. Here in Nevada, I pay $.11 per KW, so if I charge it in my garage, it would cost me .11x36=$3.96, to go 100 miles. Getting any ideas? How much does it cost you now, for gas, to go 100 miles? I know how much I pay, I have a 3.5 Eco. Even a 24 MPG Powerboost would use 4+ gallons for 100 miles.

Now an electric F150 won't get the same mileage as the MME, but just say that it gets 1/2 the mileage of an MME, so roughly $8 to go 100 miles. What are you paying?
What would you be willing to give up to get double the MPG you are getting now?

And that .11/KW is my everyday, 24 hour rate. If I signed up for a BEV rate, it could go as low as $.05 a KWH if I just charge at night.

So, yeah, the marketplace will decide, guaranteed.








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