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Old May 22, 2021 | 02:03 PM
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Does anyone know what the state/federal rebates will be?
Old May 22, 2021 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by roudan
How about hydrogen vehicle? I always thought hydrogen will be future? Shell has been building hydrogen filling stations in Europe.
Hydrogen problem is the manufacture of the stuff,, Would be best if made in a solar refraction rather than electric systems.. As many have stated the Grid is the issue ,storage of power is not here yet and the cool kids keep pushing wind and solar without any concern on materials needed , for the operations manufacture or maintenance of systems.. Smoke and mirrors,,,, I posted the issues on coastal wind farms done by a private firm that did not address sadly being on the water for 10 years.. Just ask any Navy of the effects of long term exposure to salt air..lol
As Mr Musk states the ,,,Limiting Factor,,, Batterys and mass storage issues ,, electric systems can not work without massive tax credits..These statements will upset some , but hey they are facts..
I personally would love to go electric . but not until it is efficient and non toxic batterys. will not be kidding my self on the source of the electric grid power { mostly coal } or the amount of hydrocarbons that it take to make batterys solar cells ect,,
Old May 22, 2021 | 02:10 PM
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Thanks for explaining. what about this?
Hydrogen fuel cells are terrific. But if you are upset about the lack of on the road electric charging, you will really hate hydrogen. 45 refueling stations for all of California,
the other States, even worse.

You know you have problems when you have to sell your vehicles for $20,000 off list.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...rnia-shortage/

Running on Empty: There's a Lot to Like about Hydrogen, If You Can Find It

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but in California it can be maddeningly hard to find when you need it to fuel vehicles like the Toyota Mirai.

From the May 2021 issue of Car and Driver.

Still, even in California, hydrogen's future is murky. In 2015, when Toyota debuted the Mirai hydrogen-fuel-cell-powered sedan in the United States, the automaker took to calling customers trailblazers. The trouble with blazing a trail, however, is that you don't always know what you're getting into. Deals and incentives abound, but if you're driving any of the 9000-plus fuel-cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) that call California home, you better be good with logistics. In a state that covers more than 163,000 square miles, there are currently only 45 hydrogen stations, and they don't always have enough fuel for everyone who needs it.
Old May 22, 2021 | 02:20 PM
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Does anyone know what the state/federal rebates will be?
$7,500 Federal Tax Credit, nationwide.

State tax credits and rebates vary by State.

You might check out the Mustang Mach E Forum, they have been discussing credits and rebates for quite a while. Maybe check the Regional sub-forums.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/


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Lots of bad hearsay info in this thread, here's some good info that will answer a bunch of other questions too.

Old May 22, 2021 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
$7,500 Federal Tax Credit, nationwide.

State tax credits and rebates vary by State.

You might check out the Mustang Mach E Forum, they have been discussing credits and rebates for quite a while. Maybe check the Regional sub-forums.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/
Keep in mind that $7,500 Fed rebate is only good for the first 200k qualifying EV vehicles sold by a manufacturer. Tesla’s don’t qualify anymore, so likely only a few years that Fords will.
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Originally Posted by [F2C]MaDMaXX
Lots of bad hearsay info in this thread, here's some good info that will answer a bunch of other questions too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU
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where to start.. The grid has not been expanded in decades, over worked to say the least, power distribution is the least of it issues,,also the growth was done mostly from Hydrocarbons and since 2010 many Green states have closed their Nuclear Plants and Hydro plants. Not to mention where are you going to get all the Silver to make the batterys,, Its a pipe dream folks..
Old May 22, 2021 | 05:17 PM
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An this is the UK.. their grid is Ok. They didnt close any Nuclear plants or hydro
Old May 22, 2021 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
Well said.

Just like a 3.3L V-6 is not for everyone.

Just like a 2.7 L V-6 is not for everyone.

Just like a 5.0L V-8 is not for everyone.

Just like a 3.5L V-6 is not for everyone.

Just like a 3.0L Powerstroke is not for everyone.

Just like a 3.5L V-6 Powerboost is not for everyone.

Just like a Raptor is not for everyone.

Ford is simply adding one more powerplant to the stable, the Lightning. What are people so afraid of?

I would not propose that Ford stop selling its lowest volume vehicle, the Raptor, so why would anyone propose that Ford not sell a vehicle that will outsell the Raptor?

Defies common sense. If you don't like it, or can't afford it, don't buy it.
People are afraid of the government taking away their freedom to choose whether or not they can buy an ICE.

They fear that this is the beginning steps down a path towards irrational "green" mandates that will ultimately substantially increase the cost of living for the average joe whilst hindering his ability to traverse the open road as he pleases. That we will be handcuffed by "the grid" and our ability to come and go as we please will be less reliable and efficient than in years past.

A large portion of the difference in the price of electricity vs gasoline wrt driving amounts to taxes paid at the pump per gallon. It would not surprise me if the electricity used to charge electric vehicles gets a ​​tax placed on it in the near future.
Old May 22, 2021 | 06:33 PM
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Its started in California,, the Taxes paid in registration ,, oh my bad fees went up because they said the electrics are not paying there share of Taxes { Fees } for the roads..



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