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12th gen bars just bolt right on....I don’t see what if anything would be different on the 13th gen bar aside from install instructions. All the holes in the frame around that area are not centered, so no matter what you are gonna be drilling at least a couple holes.
If they release the new ones great, but I wouldn’t wait for them if you need them now, 12th gen bars work fine.
I remember the guy at Stifflers mentioning one of the reasons that they wouldn’t work being that there was an indentation on the frame where they connected on the frame. After a bit of coaxing, I ordered a set of bars anyway. I just got a tracking number and then went out and looked under the truck. Now I see what he was talking about and may be sending this set back for a set of the shorter bars.
I get that you all are running the shorter bars on your 4x4s, but I was worried that my extra inch of lift in the rear from my icon springs wouldn’t leave enough thread in the bar after I ran the heim joints out. Thoughts from those that have installed 2x4 version on a 4x4? Do you remember how much thread was left? I have no plans to lift the truck more than it is, but I do want to retain current articulation.
I got a thanksgiving deal on them and I bet I can get them exchanged, but I imagine that savings will get chewed up in shipping. Grumble grumble.
My truck is a 4x4, but I removed my rear blocks so am effectively sitting at stock 4x2 height in the rear (inverse level). That said, there is a body support on my frame right where the brackets needed to be mounted, so I had to shift the brackets a bit farther forward then they theoretically would have been on the 12th gen application. This required I thread out an extra inch of length on the joints (half inch each) and I recall there being about 3" of total thread on the joints, with about 1" needed to make full engagement with the threads in the bar.
If you take some measurements I can compare to the length of my bars to determine if there will be enough thread to fit your truck. I don't recall my frame having that curved spot, but I never even really looked at it as I went with the 2wd bars.
Crap man, hopefully our coaxing didn't screw you out of some cash.
My truck is a 4x4, but I removed my rear blocks so am effectively sitting at stock 4x2 height in the rear (inverse level). That said, there is a body support on my frame right where the brackets needed to be mounted, so I had to shift the brackets a bit farther forward then they theoretically would have been on the 12th gen application. This required I thread out an extra inch of length on the joints (half inch each) and I recall there being about 3" of total thread on the joints, with about 1" needed to make full engagement with the threads in the bar.
If you take some measurements I can compare to the length of my bars to determine if there will be enough thread to fit your truck. I don't recall my frame having that curved spot, but I never even really looked at it as I went with the 2wd bars.
Crap man, hopefully our coaxing didn't screw you out of some cash.
Oh no worries at all on the cashola, I should have looked at the frame and install instructions first. I just had a “well damn” moment lol, my bad if I came off a bit strong. I didn’t put 2 and 2 together when I looked at your pics and the fact that you mentioned that you installed the 2wd version.
I’ll call them in the morning and ask about an exchange. I think I could order joints with a longer shank if I just had to, but it seems like there will be enough thread. I know you are at 2wd height and I can’t remember if Unbroken is stock 4x4 height or not. I’m only an inch taller than stock 4x4 so I can’t imagine that it would bind, but that’s just a guess.
The longer bars are scheduled to get here Thursday. I’ll pull them out of the box and mock it all up and report back.
I spoke with Stifflers today and was told the extra inch over stock 4x4 height wouldn’t be a problem for the 2wd kit. Sweet.
The bracketry is the same on both kits, so I am going to mock it up with the 4wd kit for science, but probably send just the bars back to get swapped for the shorter 2wd version.
Got my Stifflers bars in the mail today. After mocking it up, the 4wd version brackets land right in that indentation on the frame. Could you use them? Maybe. I’m not going to. I shipped the bars themselves back today.
Of note, my Icon springs have much heavier hardware than the stockers. The Stifflers instructions call for you to use their supplied square washers on the rear mounts that the u-bolts go through, but my u-bolts were too large in diameter to fit through their washers. My hardware was a perfect fit including the washers, so I used that. I will update when my shorter bars get here to confirm that they work out with my extra inch in the rear springs. Also, my '19 doesn't have that body mount on the frame rail that you used to align the front brackets. I'll take pics when I get the new bars and get them put on. I'll have to put the bars together and use that to line the brackets up and hope that they line up with an existing hole.
Install is done, not too bad. It took several hours but most of that was spent braining on where to mount the brackets. Tl;dr is that you’ll have to drill all 6 holes and do a little measuring. There is a factory hole you could use on the side of the frame, but when I adjusted the bars enough for the bracket to match up, I maybe had 1/4” of adjustment between the bar and the jam nut threaded all the way towards the end-link.
I’ll upload a ton of pics in the next post from my phone and then go back and edit the post with text from my pc. Thanks for the push, they look great!
03-12-2019, 07:43 PM
