What EVENTUALLY causes the CDF drum failure?
I get a chuckle at all of the fear mongering that the internet causes, not just here in this forum but everywhere. Internet forums are like surveys, people only respond if they have a bad experience, very few with no issues come onto these boards to say everything is great. There are roughly 3,600,000 F150's on the road with the 10R trans, look how many people have come here to say they have an issue to find answers....not that many in the grand scheme of things. Most people aren't going to have an issue with their transmission. The transmission shop I use says he doesn't see very many of these, he also doesn't understand why Ford has the CDF drum on backorder, he just orders the GM CDF drum which is no problem to get. If buying a new truck would make you feel better than go for it, I am not one to tell someone else how to spend their money, just say you want a new truck but seems a bit sad to use an excuse of something may happen when you have no issues with a vehicle.
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Doing my part of going thru some threads on the forum…..
Since buying my current F150 I have educated myself on the potential issues I “might” have in the future… Im proactive in keeping up with maintenance and some extra precautionary maintenance… some do’s and dont’s… and assumptions.
first… I dont follow the manufacturer’s recommendations.
with the ULV fluid, ultra low viscosity basically means its like water. To some, the color means nothing and to others it means something.
You tow…. So you should be changing the fluid using old transmission guidelines.. every 36k. Yea… you wont get it all during the drain and fill. But continuing this practice can extend clutch life.
ALL FLUIDS DO BREAK DOWN. Heat is the main killer.
wether people agree or not, whatever.
I dont baby my truck, I am hard on it. I tow, haul, gun it in sport mode and not. I compete with jerks that refuse to let me merge properly in traffic, have heavy 10 ply LT’s with aggressive treads, no tune and a leveling kit, riderite load leveler.
The Ford liner is put to the test, Ive forklifted loads of cargo on skids in the bed, scraped/shoveled out bobcat bucket style loads of dirt with spade/flat shovels. Transported 14 foot long skids made of 4x4’s home for personal projects on a rack.
But I have also changed the fluid regardless of opinions, once at 55,000 miles and about to do it again. I changed out the plastic pan with a deeper one from PPE so future drains can be easy.
The coolant was changed over to the new POAT when I hit 40,000 miles. The thermostat, I did myself. Figure every 3 years is a good rule of thumb. Ive also ordered a new coolant cap… it does go bad and should be changed out with the coolant.
2nd….
I dont allow the *** to function, first thing I do when getting in the truck, press that button.
my thoughts… that constant on/off wears hard on the cam phaser(s).
Im at 78,000 miles and so far not worried about transmission failure, cam phaser issues, or anything else that everyone dooms and glooms about.
Since buying my current F150 I have educated myself on the potential issues I “might” have in the future… Im proactive in keeping up with maintenance and some extra precautionary maintenance… some do’s and dont’s… and assumptions.
first… I dont follow the manufacturer’s recommendations.
with the ULV fluid, ultra low viscosity basically means its like water. To some, the color means nothing and to others it means something.
You tow…. So you should be changing the fluid using old transmission guidelines.. every 36k. Yea… you wont get it all during the drain and fill. But continuing this practice can extend clutch life.
ALL FLUIDS DO BREAK DOWN. Heat is the main killer.
wether people agree or not, whatever.
I dont baby my truck, I am hard on it. I tow, haul, gun it in sport mode and not. I compete with jerks that refuse to let me merge properly in traffic, have heavy 10 ply LT’s with aggressive treads, no tune and a leveling kit, riderite load leveler.
The Ford liner is put to the test, Ive forklifted loads of cargo on skids in the bed, scraped/shoveled out bobcat bucket style loads of dirt with spade/flat shovels. Transported 14 foot long skids made of 4x4’s home for personal projects on a rack.
But I have also changed the fluid regardless of opinions, once at 55,000 miles and about to do it again. I changed out the plastic pan with a deeper one from PPE so future drains can be easy.
The coolant was changed over to the new POAT when I hit 40,000 miles. The thermostat, I did myself. Figure every 3 years is a good rule of thumb. Ive also ordered a new coolant cap… it does go bad and should be changed out with the coolant.
2nd….
I dont allow the *** to function, first thing I do when getting in the truck, press that button.
my thoughts… that constant on/off wears hard on the cam phaser(s).
Im at 78,000 miles and so far not worried about transmission failure, cam phaser issues, or anything else that everyone dooms and glooms about.
I definitely won't say there's not a bias towards tales of failure on internet forums but if that's the case here it's weird how Ford issued a TSB, updated it a couple times, redesigned a part if most people aren't going to have a problem with it.
A better solution to getting rid of it may be researching possible cooler upgrades or auxilliary upgrades as the failure is usually caused by heat/pressure (along with nothing to keep the bushing in place). .
A better solution to getting rid of it may be researching possible cooler upgrades or auxilliary upgrades as the failure is usually caused by heat/pressure (along with nothing to keep the bushing in place). .
https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/tran...lems-solutions
Excerpt
Perhaps the most common problem we encounter, tied with valve body failure, is the bushing of the C-D-F drum assembly being forced out of place by excessive heat and pressure. This deprives half of the transmission of fluid pressure, causing near instantaneous failure. This problem is exacerbated by large tires, added power, frequent towing and many other things, although not partaking in these activities does not save you either.
We are proud to say that we resolved this issue almost immediately the same way we did in the smaller 10R80 Transmission. There are 2 necessary solutions to prevent this problem, both of which are standard in all 10R140 transmissions we offer.
Firsly, we increase the lubrication pressure in this valve body, the oil used to keep the transmissions inner workings cool, by 300%. This helps regulate the extraordinary heat that causes this bushing to travel in the first place. Secondarily, we machine a lip into the C-D-F drum assembly to keep the bushing in place regardless of circumstance. This problem has NEVER been recorded in a Next Gen Drivetrain product.
There are a few places that have upgraded/aux coolers for the 10R80, even Ford makes an upgraded Raptor one I think. I'm not sure if one is offered with the lines needed for integrating with the transmission mounted cooler models to make it more plug and play.
Last edited by SSellers; Jun 1, 2024 at 06:15 AM.
The entire article is a good read (actually it may be good not to read it ha ha) but scroll down to Problem #7
https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/tran...lems-solutions
Excerpt
Perhaps the most common problem we encounter, tied with valve body failure, is the bushing of the C-D-F drum assembly being forced out of place by excessive heat and pressure. This deprives half of the transmission of fluid pressure, causing near instantaneous failure. This problem is exacerbated by large tires, added power, frequent towing and many other things, although not partaking in these activities does not save you either.
We are proud to say that we resolved this issue almost immediately the same way we did in the smaller 10R80 Transmission. There are 2 necessary solutions to prevent this problem, both of which are standard in all 10R140 transmissions we offer.
Firsly, we increase the lubrication pressure in this valve body, the oil used to keep the transmissions inner workings cool, by 300%. This helps regulate the extraordinary heat that causes this bushing to travel in the first place. Secondarily, we machine a lip into the C-D-F drum assembly to keep the bushing in place regardless of circumstance. This problem has NEVER been recorded in a Next Gen Drivetrain product.
There are a few places that have upgraded/aux coolers for the 10R80, even Ford makes an upgraded Raptor one I think. I'm not sure if one is offered with the lines needed for integrating with the transmission mounted cooler models to make it more plug and play.
https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/tran...lems-solutions
Excerpt
Perhaps the most common problem we encounter, tied with valve body failure, is the bushing of the C-D-F drum assembly being forced out of place by excessive heat and pressure. This deprives half of the transmission of fluid pressure, causing near instantaneous failure. This problem is exacerbated by large tires, added power, frequent towing and many other things, although not partaking in these activities does not save you either.
We are proud to say that we resolved this issue almost immediately the same way we did in the smaller 10R80 Transmission. There are 2 necessary solutions to prevent this problem, both of which are standard in all 10R140 transmissions we offer.
Firsly, we increase the lubrication pressure in this valve body, the oil used to keep the transmissions inner workings cool, by 300%. This helps regulate the extraordinary heat that causes this bushing to travel in the first place. Secondarily, we machine a lip into the C-D-F drum assembly to keep the bushing in place regardless of circumstance. This problem has NEVER been recorded in a Next Gen Drivetrain product.
There are a few places that have upgraded/aux coolers for the 10R80, even Ford makes an upgraded Raptor one I think. I'm not sure if one is offered with the lines needed for integrating with the transmission mounted cooler models to make it more plug and play.
Explained in very simple, surface terminology so that most people should be able to comprehend at least the gist of the explanation.
Likely written by someone whose first language is not English, based on multiple instances of the use of "firstly".
Just read through it. Clearly written by a company to support selling their parts. According to them, every major component of the 10R has a design flaw and they have the perfect solution. Not knocking them, because some of their parts are probably much better than OEM, but no way is the OEM design as bad as they make it out to be.
Explained in very simple, surface terminology so that most people should be able to comprehend at least the gist of the explanation.
Likely written by someone whose first language is not English, based on multiple instances of the use of "firstly".
Explained in very simple, surface terminology so that most people should be able to comprehend at least the gist of the explanation.
Likely written by someone whose first language is not English, based on multiple instances of the use of "firstly".







