Upgrade?
Thanks. Yes, without getting weird about money, payment is not an issue. If dealer gets me trade KBB / Carfax suggest, I will have effectively had a cheap lease on current truck.
My biggest concern is that transmission. Been polarizing. Heard amazing things and also terrible things. I have no gripes with current 6spd. Really wish I could go back and have gotten 4x4 on current truck. Sigh...
Issues I have seen about the trans seem to be sporadic. Not a clear defined xxxxx issue that was addressed. This is what gives me pause.
My biggest concern is that transmission. Been polarizing. Heard amazing things and also terrible things. I have no gripes with current 6spd. Really wish I could go back and have gotten 4x4 on current truck. Sigh...
Issues I have seen about the trans seem to be sporadic. Not a clear defined xxxxx issue that was addressed. This is what gives me pause.
As mentioned above, you might consider a Lariat. It seems yuppie as hell, but I really enjoy my push-button start, auto climate control, etc.
Thanks for the replies!
The towing I do is either a utility trailer (no brakes needed) or boats (5-6k lbs) that have hydraulic / surge brakes on the trailer. We are looking to start doing more family camping soon with a travel trailer, hence the new need for a TBC (and 36 gal fuel tank would be nice as well). The 2.7 would probably work just fine 99% of the time. Historically I have purchased vehicles and kept them 10yrs minimum. Getting the 3.5 would help future proof the truck and avoid the situation I am in now (regretting not getting 4x4).
I did go and test drive a 503A Lariat last week. I was a bit underwhelmed in regards to cost and also the distinct difference in the way it felt weight wise (compared to my current truck). There are two main things there I want, leather and adaptive cruise control. I was unimpressed with the AC seats and all I have seen have the moonroof, which I do not want (brother in law has it and had many issues with it). That said, figured I would save 10k and get XLT (add leather after for 1.2k). Call me crazy, but I like the simplicity of my XLT gauge cluster / climate controls / etc over some of the upper trim stuff. Just me.
Going to test drive XLT today ... we'll see. Mainly concerned about 10spd trans.
Why not go for the 2.7L? It sounds like you are just now adding a TBC, which makes me think you aren't using one now (or maybe have aftermarket), but either way probably not a truck equipped for heavy trailer towing, which is where the 3.5L is needed.
Have you priced out going Lariat 500a or 501a? Even going 500a, you get auto climate and push button start, 4x4 auto, etc. The 4x4 Auto would be very nice for your use case, since it sounds like your biggest concerns are while driving in unpredictable traction situations, where manual 4x4 like you have now requires you to react if 4x4 is called for.
Going to test drive XLT today ... we'll see. Mainly concerned about 10spd trans.
Do you have a size travel trailer in mind? When people start talking about family camping and a travel trailer, that's a big sign that the reduced payload capacity of a 2.7 truck might be a deal breaker.
There is no such thing as 503A. The Lariat goes 500A, 501A, 502A. The one with LED headlights is 502A
The seats aren't really A/C, they are ventilated. They pull in air from the cabin
Too many of the higher trim level trucks, starting around where you are looking, come with the rattle roof, that can make finding the right lot truck a little more work
I guess different people have different definitions of simplicity. To me, using one **** to go up/down on temperature and not having to ever touch anything else, even as it gets hotter or colder outside or the system catches up or falls behind, etc, is simplicity...having to manually adjust temp, and fan speed, and vents being used, and change it as I go as conditions change etc, is the opposite of simple. To each their own
Stop worrying about the transmission.
You will likely save legitimately around $10k going with a 302A vs a 502A. That's almost enough to get a 5.0 and drop a supercharger on it, or get an EcoBoost and do your aftermarket leather, bedliner, tonneau, wheels, tires, suspension lift, tune, exhaust, tint...the whole deal.
There is no such thing as 503A. The Lariat goes 500A, 501A, 502A. The one with LED headlights is 502A
The seats aren't really A/C, they are ventilated. They pull in air from the cabin
Too many of the higher trim level trucks, starting around where you are looking, come with the rattle roof, that can make finding the right lot truck a little more work
I guess different people have different definitions of simplicity. To me, using one **** to go up/down on temperature and not having to ever touch anything else, even as it gets hotter or colder outside or the system catches up or falls behind, etc, is simplicity...having to manually adjust temp, and fan speed, and vents being used, and change it as I go as conditions change etc, is the opposite of simple. To each their own
Stop worrying about the transmission.
You will likely save legitimately around $10k going with a 302A vs a 502A. That's almost enough to get a 5.0 and drop a supercharger on it, or get an EcoBoost and do your aftermarket leather, bedliner, tonneau, wheels, tires, suspension lift, tune, exhaust, tint...the whole deal.
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Do you have a size travel trailer in mind?
There is no such thing as 503A. The Lariat goes 500A, 501A, 502A. The one with LED headlights is 502A
Too many of the higher trim level trucks, starting around where you are looking, come with the rattle roof, that can make finding the right lot truck a little more work
I guess different people have different definitions of simplicity. To me, using one **** to go up/down on temperature and not having to ever touch anything else, even as it gets hotter or colder outside or the system catches up or falls behind, etc, is simplicity...having to manually adjust temp, and fan speed, and vents being used, and change it as I go as conditions change etc, is the opposite of simple. To each their own
Stop worrying about the transmission.
You will likely save legitimately around $10k going with a 302A vs a 502A.
Not specifically at this point. Plan is to rent one 3-4 times over next year to test waters before going to buy and store one. Brother in law did it recently and if I remember correctly, around 5k lbs. At this point I do not see going to anything much bigger than that.
Sorry, 502A is what I test drove.
Exactly. I have not been able to locate a Lariat or the like around here without the moonroof.
Haha, fair. Here in FL, climate control is set to Max AC / coolest tempt on top vents at all times. Only thing that ever changes is fan speed, never temp. So having that big dial is easier to grab / adjust without looking then smaller fan speed buttons on auto climate systems. I had auto climate in past vehicle and preferred in the end to always have on coolest temp and regulate fan speed over desired temp. Funny enough, wife does the same in her Pilot. Lowest temp all times, fan speed up / down as needed.
I want to ... damn OCD is a cruel mistress / personality trait :-/
Yes. For me and my perceived value, it's just not there for the Lariat. Again for me. Will simply have dealer install Katzkin for $1,200 in the 302A.
Sorry, 502A is what I test drove.
Exactly. I have not been able to locate a Lariat or the like around here without the moonroof.
Haha, fair. Here in FL, climate control is set to Max AC / coolest tempt on top vents at all times. Only thing that ever changes is fan speed, never temp. So having that big dial is easier to grab / adjust without looking then smaller fan speed buttons on auto climate systems. I had auto climate in past vehicle and preferred in the end to always have on coolest temp and regulate fan speed over desired temp. Funny enough, wife does the same in her Pilot. Lowest temp all times, fan speed up / down as needed.
I want to ... damn OCD is a cruel mistress / personality trait :-/
Yes. For me and my perceived value, it's just not there for the Lariat. Again for me. Will simply have dealer install Katzkin for $1,200 in the 302A.
Make sure one of your first immediate mods is a heat rejection (doesn't have to be very dark) window tint. All four windows. And a 70-80 on windshield and/or a top strip
Haha, fair. Here in FL, climate control is set to Max AC / coolest tempt on top vents at all times. Only thing that ever changes is fan speed, never temp. So having that big dial is easier to grab / adjust without looking then smaller fan speed buttons on auto climate systems. I had auto climate in past vehicle and preferred in the end to always have on coolest temp and regulate fan speed over desired temp. Funny enough, wife does the same in her Pilot. Lowest temp all times, fan speed up / down as needed.






