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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Harry Franklin
Also, I not sure how it could possibly sense the correct position. I have seen some vehicles with an antenna in each wheel well to accommodate this feature, but the F150 does not have this.
The proximity sensors for the keyless system can tell if the fob is within 1" of the drivers seat to start the truck. If they have a system that precise you don't think they can tell where a tire sensor is with a 13' front to back spread and a 5' left to right spread. These systems are way more precise that you think and no you don't need an antenna at each wheel to accomplish it.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamingtaco
Vehicles that cannot determine wheel location do not display psi, they only give a low pressure warning.

My 2015 F150 does list pressure for each tire, so it has a way of determining where each signal originates.

Just because you do not see an antenna, does not mean one is not there. Doesn't have to be in the wheel wells, a sectored directional antenna under the cab could pick up all four wheels with each signal having a dedicated line.

The antennas are probably somewhere in or near the wheel wells, and are most likely just a length of sheathed wire.
i didn’t base my statement on the fact that I don’t see an antenna. Even the manufacturers that use an antenna don’t stick it out in the open. My info came from the shop manual.
The only antenna is located in the RTM. Evidently it somehow works for some or most people as I keep seeing people post that it does, just seems odd that Ford wouldn’t even mention it in the shop manual.

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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by robbieg
The proximity sensors for the keyless system can tell if the fob is within 1" of the drivers seat to start the truck. If they have a system that precise you don't think they can tell where a tire sensor is with a 13' front to back spread and a 5' left to right spread. These systems are way more precise that you think and no you don't need an antenna at each wheel to accomplish it.
You give the proximity sensor way too much credit. It could care less where the key is in relation to the seat. Mine can be on the passenger side floorboard or the dash and the truck starts just fine. It seems to only care about a certain radius from the sensor located in the center console.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Harry Franklin

You give the proximity sensor way too much credit. It could care less where the key is in relation to the seat. Mine can be on the passenger side floorboard or the dash and the truck starts just fine. It seems to only care about a certain radius from the sensor located in the center console.
I’m not giving to much credit, maybe yours isn’t as sensitive. Mine will only work in the direct vicinity of the drivers seat. It won’t start if I sit in passenger or rear seats. It won’t start if I open the door and stand on the running board, lean in and press the brake and hit start. It will work in the little console strip next to the shifter but will not work in the cup holder.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zotman21
they did not need to program them. They teach themselves. Hope they did not charge you
No extra charge to program them. My dealership only charges me the $20 cost to rotate tires when they swap out my summer and winter wheels.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 11:01 AM
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If you are a FORScan user, make sure that TPMS auto relearn is enabled and there is another TPMS setting that needs to be enabled as well. I don’t remember off the top of my head what it is but all the TPMS settings are together in FORScan. Not hard to find.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 12:37 PM
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It is really strange that it works for some of you. The following is a direct quote out of the 2017 Ford F150 Workshop Manual -
"It is necessary to train (calibrate) the TPMS sensors after a tire rotation on vehicles with different front and rear tire
pressures. The BCM does not automatically recognize the sensor identifiers have been moved to different positions and
retains the original position information for each sensor."
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by robbieg

I’m not giving to much credit, maybe yours isn’t as sensitive. Mine will only work in the direct vicinity of the drivers seat. It won’t start if I sit in passenger or rear seats. It won’t start if I open the door and stand on the running board, lean in and press the brake and hit start. It will work in the little console strip next to the shifter but will not work in the cup holder.
You absolutely are giving it to much credit. It cannot determine if it is within 1" of the drivers seat, nor does it care. Per the 2018 owners manual, it must be within the passenger compartment. There is no mention of within any distance from the seat. I can hold the key out the window as far as I can reach on both of my 17 Ford vehicles and start them. I believe that the proximity sensor is actually not even staged and uses the same range for the keyless entry(3ft from the door) My key is almost never within 1" of the drivers seat on either of those vehicles. This is all consistent with the many other proximity key vehicles that we service every day. There is a sensor in the center console and the system has a limited range. There is no more to it than that. If yours requires the key to be within 1" of the drivers seat, you should have them take a look to find out what is wrong. Maybe your batteries are getting low.
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Originally Posted by Harry Franklin
It is really strange that it works for some of you. The following is a direct quote out of the 2017 Ford F150 Workshop Manual -
"It is necessary to train (calibrate) the TPMS sensors after a tire rotation on vehicles with different front and rear tire
pressures. The BCM does not automatically recognize the sensor identifiers have been moved to different positions and
retains the original position information for each sensor."
That also says different front and rear tire pressures. I'd imagine if he was truck for tires that have all the same pressure, it would also mention it. I see what you are getting at but the truck it self auto learns and locates the TPMS sensors. Also you can enable/disable this feature in ForScan.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Harry Franklin
You absolutely are giving it to much credit. It cannot determine if it is within 1" of the drivers seat, nor does it care. Per the 2018 owners manual, it must be within the passenger compartment. There is no mention of within any distance from the seat. I can hold the key out the window as far as I can reach on both of my 17 Ford vehicles and start them. I believe that the proximity sensor is actually not even staged and uses the same range for the keyless entry(3ft from the door) My key is almost never within 1" of the drivers seat on either of those vehicles. This is all consistent with the many other proximity key vehicles that we service every day. There is a sensor in the center console and the system has a limited range. There is no more to it than that. If yours requires the key to be within 1" of the drivers seat, you should have them take a look to find out what is wrong. Maybe your batteries are getting low.
There is nothing wrong with mine, its worked this way since new and I wouldn't want it to work like you describe. If you are able to start the truck with the fob outside the cab then something is wrong with yours or you have another key in the cab that you don't know about. Think about what an enormous liability that would be on Ford if anyone could jump in and start your truck while you were outside or you were doing something in the back seat like vacuuming or cleaning and your kid got up front and started it. The system has four proximity sensors according to the factory service manual, not just the console. I don't want to derail this thread anymore so this will be my last comment on this issue. While its true the manual does not specify a specific distance your own manual quote contradicts yourself as you said you can start it holding the fob outside. From the manual:

Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) - Overview

2015 F-150

The PATS deters the vehicle from theft by preventing the vehicle from starting unless a valid programmed key is detected inside the vehicle when the START/STOP button is pressed.


If you truly can start your truck with the fob outside I would suggest you make an appointment to get it fixed.
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