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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 04:53 AM
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I have looked around, and read. I would like some personalized opinions if i may ask. I am looking to start towing and moving stuff for business, I am really interested in the new F 150, based on I live in ny and almost all fords i see, including the 1997 f 250 I have, which had no rust when i bought it. In 2 years is almost a rust bucket, it has no more driver side floor its just gone, the bed and side fenders are going, and I wounder if i didnt paint the oil pan, and transmission cover if that wouldent already be gone lol. That said..
First, I cant tow over 10000 LBS as i dont have a CDL, so the f150 2015 fits that according to fords site, where you build it with the eco boost 6. Towing capacity 10700, with the heavy tow package. Or a slightly used f 350 or 450 diesel. I am thinking with the new Aluminum body, and the supposed gas mileage, the f150 would be a better long term investment than a used f 350.
The only reason mpg history I can say , is my fathers camping trips. He pulls a 14000 LBS or more, 5th wheel 38 feet. With a 6.0L Chevy Sliverardo z77, with the 4 cylinder thing. He reports going from NY to PA, getting 10 MPG. Which is what made me consider gas, instead of diesel, considering it costs more, and from what i see f350s, with around 10k on them, get like 5-10mpg. I am thinking that the f150 2015 with the eco boost 6, will get something like 10-15 mpg loaded, highway, if not more.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 07:23 AM
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Go diesel if this is find to be for full time work towing. Better mpg. Better power. Designed for long duty cycle work.

But be careful of some Ford diesels. Do your research.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 07:30 AM
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There are literally hundreds of posts regarding how to determine true towing capability which is limited by PAYLOAD. If you read some of the excellent posts, you'll learn that the weight that the trailer puts on the truck severely limits what trailer you can tow. In short, you're likely not towing anything near 10,000 pounds.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 08:12 AM
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I have a 2011 250 SD, crew cab, 6.7 diesel and have towed 10K plus(12.5ft tall toy hauler) thru W. Va, Md and Ky @75 mph and get over 10 mpg. If towing all the time I would love truck. I got old and no longer need 250 so I ordered a 150. A 150 3.5 turbo will be in boost and get terrible fuel economy. I know as someone towed w/ a 2011(3.5 turbo) along side me and had less load and used 50% more $'s at refills. Coming back bobtail was a different story.

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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 09:56 AM
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Lot of myths about towing. Yes, for sure if you plan to pull a 38' fifth wheel like your father, a F150 is too small. Need to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton for that. However a 24-26' fifth wheel will pull just fine with a F150 and I have done so for nearly 25 years. I much prefer a fifth wheel style trailer over a rear hitch. It reduces the overall length and it tows easier on the highway and in side winds. The trailer is like a tail and can wag the dog, if the tail is big or long. The fifth wheel hitch due to the location gives the truck the advantage while the rear hitch give the advantage back to the trailer. For business uses farmers and ranchers around here often use the gooseneck style which is a bit different but has the same hitch point and advantages of a standard fifth wheel.

While you do have to watch the hitch weight compared to your overall payload capacity you should be able to get up to around 10,000 lbs with a 3.5 EcoBoost. Maximum rated capacity for the 2015 is a regular cab 4x2 and a 3.55 rear end is 12,100 lbs, with no heavy duty payload option. See page 17 at the link below. 4x4 and extra cab options all reduce overall capability. You do have to watch your hitch weight, but especially with a fifth wheel or gooseneck you can minimize the increase in that by balanced loading of the trailer.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...Tgde_Sep30.pdf

Towing is all about delivering HP. It takes the same HP to pull the same trailer no matter what truck or engine is pulling it. Fuel economy simply comes down to which engine is the most efficient at the rpm/torque that your tow at. This stuff about as soon as you are in turbo boost fuel economy falls off a cliff is nonsense. Turbos increase the area of maximum fuel economy and you are much more likely to fall off that cliff with a conventional engine than one with a turbo. And a diesel is even more efficient so, if fuel economy is your prime concern then a diesel would be the way to go. But, you pay a premium for it just to get the engine, and you have to step up to a 3/4 ton to get one of a reasonable size. Ram has a small diesel in a 1/2 ton but I consider it too small to seriously consider for towing. The 3.5 EB will easily tow more. Bottom line is that with a gas engine variations from engine to engine are likely to be small and regardless fuel economy is going to be bad when towing and around 10-12 mpg.

Hope that helps some,
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron AKA
Lot of myths about towing. Yes, for sure if you plan to pull a 38' fifth wheel like your father, a F150 is too small. Need to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton for that. However a 24-26' fifth wheel will pull just fine with a F150 and I have done so for nearly 25 years. I much prefer a fifth wheel style trailer over a rear hitch. It reduces the overall length and it tows easier on the highway and in side winds. The trailer is like a tail and can wag the dog, if the tail is big or long. The fifth wheel hitch due to the location gives the truck the advantage while the rear hitch give the advantage back to the trailer. For business uses farmers and ranchers around here often use the gooseneck style which is a bit different but has the same hitch point and advantages of a standard fifth wheel.

While you do have to watch the hitch weight compared to your overall payload capacity you should be able to get up to around 10,000 lbs with a 3.5 EcoBoost. Maximum rated capacity for the 2015 is a regular cab 4x2 and a 3.55 rear end is 12,100 lbs, with no heavy duty payload option. See page 17 at the link below. 4x4 and extra cab options all reduce overall capability. You do have to watch your hitch weight, but especially with a fifth wheel or gooseneck you can minimize the increase in that by balanced loading of the trailer.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...Tgde_Sep30.pdf

Towing is all about delivering HP. It takes the same HP to pull the same trailer no matter what truck or engine is pulling it. Fuel economy simply comes down to which engine is the most efficient at the rpm/torque that your tow at. This stuff about as soon as you are in turbo boost fuel economy falls off a cliff is nonsense. Turbos increase the area of maximum fuel economy and you are much more likely to fall off that cliff with a conventional engine than one with a turbo. And a diesel is even more efficient so, if fuel economy is your prime concern then a diesel would be the way to go. But, you pay a premium for it just to get the engine, and you have to step up to a 3/4 ton to get one of a reasonable size. Ram has a small diesel in a 1/2 ton but I consider it too small to seriously consider for towing. The 3.5 EB will easily tow more. Bottom line is that with a gas engine variations from engine to engine are likely to be small and regardless fuel economy is going to be bad when towing and around 10-12 mpg.

Hope that helps some,
You will never get 10,000 lbs 5er under payload ratings of a non max tow truck. If you don't care about being over payload and axle ratings, that's fine. But it remains a fact that while an overloaded truck with a 5er pulls better than a bumper pull, it is still overloaded.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by packplantpath
You will never get 10,000 lbs 5er under payload ratings of a non max tow truck. If you don't care about being over payload and axle ratings, that's fine. But it remains a fact that while an overloaded truck with a 5er pulls better than a bumper pull, it is still overloaded.
I dont want to be overloaded no, I care about that. I assume what you are saying is the weight the trailer pushes down onto the axle will be more than 3200 pounds. If you go by this on the uhaul site, Class 4 (Class IV) trailer hitch
Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 10,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 1,000 - 1,200 lbs tongue weight. Although many times any hitch with a capacity greater than 5,000 lbs gross weight is referred to as a Class 4. Well that is way way under the trucks payload rating of 3200. I cant see how a 10000 lbs trailer, with load levers, could put more than 3200 pounds on the axles.

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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron AKA
Lot of myths about towing. Yes, for sure if you plan to pull a 38' fifth wheel like your father, a F150 is too small. Need to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton for that. However a 24-26' fifth wheel will pull just fine with a F150 and I have done so for nearly 25 years. I much prefer a fifth wheel style trailer over a rear hitch. It reduces the overall length and it tows easier on the highway and in side winds. The trailer is like a tail and can wag the dog, if the tail is big or long. The fifth wheel hitch due to the location gives the truck the advantage while the rear hitch give the advantage back to the trailer. For business uses farmers and ranchers around here often use the gooseneck style which is a bit different but has the same hitch point and advantages of a standard fifth wheel.

While you do have to watch the hitch weight compared to your overall payload capacity you should be able to get up to around 10,000 lbs with a 3.5 EcoBoost. Maximum rated capacity for the 2015 is a regular cab 4x2 and a 3.55 rear end is 12,100 lbs, with no heavy duty payload option. See page 17 at the link below. 4x4 and extra cab options all reduce overall capability. You do have to watch your hitch weight, but especially with a fifth wheel or gooseneck you can minimize the increase in that by balanced loading of the trailer.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...Tgde_Sep30.pdf

Towing is all about delivering HP. It takes the same HP to pull the same trailer no matter what truck or engine is pulling it. Fuel economy simply comes down to which engine is the most efficient at the rpm/torque that your tow at. This stuff about as soon as you are in turbo boost fuel economy falls off a cliff is nonsense. Turbos increase the area of maximum fuel economy and you are much more likely to fall off that cliff with a conventional engine than one with a turbo. And a diesel is even more efficient so, if fuel economy is your prime concern then a diesel would be the way to go. But, you pay a premium for it just to get the engine, and you have to step up to a 3/4 ton to get one of a reasonable size. Ram has a small diesel in a 1/2 ton but I consider it too small to seriously consider for towing. The 3.5 EB will easily tow more. Bottom line is that with a gas engine variations from engine to engine are likely to be small and regardless fuel economy is going to be bad when towing and around 10-12 mpg.

Hope that helps some,
That doesnt sound like the fuel economy is going to be bad to me. The diesels dont get any more then 10-12 yet it costs way more than gas costs. The trailer I want to pull is a 20 foot enclosed trailer, that hooks to as your saying bumper. It sounds to me the way to go is the new truck. It gets the same gas mileage as a diesel, yet gas only costs 3 50 a gallon, it wont rust, it can carry what i need to. As I said i cant legally carry a trailer over 10000 pounds. I am unsure why the other person is saying it cant. I seen a manufacturer video of it towing that. The gas engine is cheaper to repair, or replace.
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 10:45 AM
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The more and more I look, it seems something 2015 has over any old diesel is its towing. I mean the range of my purchase for diesel is a 2008 f 450. With the 4 tires in the back, which only has a GVWR of 14500 http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...TTgdeSep08.pdf. Which that truck is huge, and weights to much, and only gets like 12 mpg. The 2015 f150 in comparison, which weights alot less, has a smaller Engine, but has a GVWR of 17000.
It makes no sense to me, that a huge big 20 foot truck like the f450, can pull less then a f 150. But there it is, 2008 f450 14500, f150 2015 GVWR 17000. From the conjecture, and information, the eco boost 6 will get upro atleast 28 mpg unloaded. So I am going to guess around 12mpg towing 10k lbs, if not more. So i still see no advantage of a diesel engine at all.
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 11:59 AM
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Hey ghost, for what it's worth, Dad has a 96 F250 with the 7.3 psd, he's looking at getting a 16 F150 with the 3.5 EB. It's rated at or better than the old truck. & we're huge fans of the 7.3. The body lasted 17 years but is starting to look kinda shabby now since last winter. Not many of the other brands still on the road from the same era, the fords held up better in comparison.
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