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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 07:50 AM
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Both the on the floor and the on the column shifters have been around a long time. But neither makes much sense with today's vehicles. One or the other was necessary when there was a physical connection between the shifter and the transmission. But today either is a switch. A switch with wires connected to a computer. A push button shift makes a lot more sense. It takes up less space and can be put anywhere. I've had three vehicles with push-button shifting and they took a while to get used to. But I never really liked the column shifters and the floor shifters always took up too much space. I prefer the push buttons. It's only a matter of time before all vehicles are push button. Of course, on the F-150 there are going to be people (mostly men) who say, "I don't like it and I'll never like it". They want to pick and choose which new features they want. Which is ok, but the days of individual options are long past.
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Guthrie
Both the on the floor and the on the column shifters have been around a long time. But neither makes much sense with today's vehicles. One or the other was necessary when there was a physical connection between the shifter and the transmission. But today either is a switch. A switch with wires connected to a computer. A push button shift makes a lot more sense. It takes up less space and can be put anywhere. I've had three vehicles with push-button shifting and they took a while to get used to. But I never really liked the column shifters and the floor shifters always took up too much space. I prefer the push buttons. It's only a matter of time before all vehicles are push button. Of course, on the F-150 there are going to be people (mostly men) who say, "I don't like it and I'll never like it". They want to pick and choose which new features they want. Which is ok, but the days of individual options are long past.
I am a sucker for frills. That being said, I absolutely LOATHE the "nanny" features that remove throttle input and actual DRIVER control of the vehicle! If I'm trying to break traction, the vehicle tells me, "Ohh no! You're going to DIE" and corrects whatever I'm trying to do, then in a conflict of interest, the vehicle goes completely cattywampuss, because of conflicting input between me (who knows what I want to do, and knows how to do it!), and the vehicle that says, "Stooooop, you're going to die! - OMG, I'm removing all throttle input so you can't go any more", and me that's going, "Hammer the f*cking gas and spin this bitch 360 on the backroads!. Yeah...I know WTF I'm doing and I don't want some smart-*** engineer, fresh out of college, telling me I don't know how to drive! Granted, I'm 45 years old and I tend to drive for mileage, but every now and again I like to break 'er loose and have some fun. "Back in my day" (lol) we learned how to actually DRIVE. WE drove the cars - they didn't drive us!

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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 09:43 AM
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Nostalgia maybe but the feeling and look of three on the tree just feels right.
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Guthrie
Both the on the floor and the on the column shifters have been around a long time. But neither makes much sense with today's vehicles. One or the other was necessary when there was a physical connection between the shifter and the transmission. But today either is a switch. A switch with wires connected to a computer. A push button shift makes a lot more sense. It takes up less space and can be put anywhere. I've had three vehicles with push-button shifting and they took a while to get used to. But I never really liked the column shifters and the floor shifters always took up too much space.
The 10R80 in our trucks still use a mechanical cable running down to the transmission. When you look at the shift **** on the latest generation of the Expedition with the shift **** all the **** does activate an actuator that still runs to a cable on the transmission.

The electronic shift controls also make things that were once simple more complex like loading a vehicle on a flat bed when there is an electrical failure.

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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 10:48 AM
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Not a big fan of chrome and had enough of column shifters over the decades.
Hence, the Sport package was the perfect solution.

For those who say the column shifter's center console has more storage, i don't get it.
Just how much junk does someone need to store in their column shifter's console.

With my center console shifter there's more than enough room in the storage compartment, more room than i could use.
Right now the upper tray is filled with coins and a tire psi gauge, the lower storage area has a large roll of paper towels, window cleaner and various hand tools.... and its half empty.
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 09:14 PM
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Payload depends on how many passengers fit inside the cab, the leaf springs capacity, and the wheel and tire capacity. Primary limitation is the tires with a SRW truck so no way that any light pickup manufacturer can outdo another one as they are using the same tires. Goodyear Wrangler 275/55R20 tires have the same 2535 load capacity regardless of which truck they are used. Subtract the weight of the truck on the rear wheels from 5070 lbs and you have the maximum possible payload for the truck with no passengers in the cab. My 2500 truck with its tires has a load capcity of 7500 lbs with its two rear tires and also has stronger springs and a stronger frame and better brakes than any 1500 truck.

Want the most payload capacity from the factory in a pickup you should buy a 3500 with a regular cab.
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 05:51 PM
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@OCMike , do you know of a 2020 Lariat with the 502A package will take the column shifter assembly? I'm having a hard time finding the threads where someone is going from console+shifter to jumpseat+column-shifter. I see a lot the other way around. I'm wanting to remove the console + shifter for a jumpseat and need to a shifter on the steering column.
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:06 PM
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I have a 2020 lariat SC with 3.5 and has the console shift. I hate it and the main reason I am looking for a 21 XLT. To hard to get at the temperature controls. I have to hard a time getting my hand between shifter and controls.
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BumbleBeeTuna
@OCMike , do you know of a 2020 Lariat with the 502A package will take the column shifter assembly? I'm having a hard time finding the threads where someone is going from console+shifter to jumpseat+column-shifter. I see a lot the other way around. I'm wanting to remove the console + shifter for a jumpseat and need to a shifter on the steering column.

I seen you found the thread linked below. Lots of good information there.

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/succe...-guide-426532/

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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Guthrie
Both the on the floor and the on the column shifters have been around a long time. But neither makes much sense with today's vehicles. One or the other was necessary when there was a physical connection between the shifter and the transmission. But today either is a switch. A switch with wires connected to a computer. A push button shift makes a lot more sense. It takes up less space and can be put anywhere. I've had three vehicles with push-button shifting and they took a while to get used to. But I never really liked the column shifters and the floor shifters always took up too much space. I prefer the push buttons. It's only a matter of time before all vehicles are push button. Of course, on the F-150 there are going to be people (mostly men) who say, "I don't like it and I'll never like it". They want to pick and choose which new features they want. Which is ok, but the days of individual options are long past.
Pushbutton shifting has actually been around since the 1950s, and console/column shifters have been electronic switches instead of actual linkages for decades, so that day when the console and column shifters are all gone may still be a long time coming.

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