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Old Oct 2, 2015 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by beaker80
Hi PropanePowered. very clean engine install. I'm running CNG on my 2011 Eco Boost and love it. I have a home refueling appliance and fuel up at home for 38 cents per liter. My biggest complaint is range. I have a 19 liter gasoline equivalent steel tank in the bed and get approx 160 km range. My daily commute is 120 km's so I'm OK with that. I still have the full gasoline system and a 98 liter gas tank so if I run out of CNG it automatically switches over.

How made the kit on your truck? Can you post some more pics? I'm interested in your tank install. Make of tank? etc

I'd like to do a double install and add propane to my CNG install then put a smaller CNG tank in. Or just go propane.
The manufacturer of the kit in my truck is Prins, out of Europe, and the installation was completed by the dealership before I took delivery of it.

Range and payload reduction are definitely the killers with CNG, but at .38 per litre it's hard to complain too much.

Will be happy to post more photos. Is there anything specific you'd like to see?
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Old Oct 2, 2015 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ecopat
so you can run on the regular gas tank AND switch back and forth to propane at will? ie. if you are somewhere around Golden, BC and run out of propane in the Rockies at midnight, just switch back to gas? is that correct?

if so, it IS certainly a worthwhile upgrade / change!
Yes, that is correct. I can switch back and forth as desired, or it will switch back to gasoline on the fly if you run out of propane.

If I head out full of both, my range would be more like 1300KM if you believe what the gasoline DTE reading on the dash says.
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Old Oct 2, 2015 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by beaker80
Hi PropanePowered. very clean engine install. I'm running CNG on my 2011 Eco Boost and love it. I have a home refueling appliance and fuel up at home for 38 cents per liter. My biggest complaint is range. I have a 19 liter gasoline equivalent steel tank in the bed and get approx 160 km range. My daily commute is 120 km's so I'm OK with that. I still have the full gasoline system and a 98 liter gas tank so if I run out of CNG it automatically switches over.

How made the kit on your truck? Can you post some more pics? I'm interested in your tank install. Make of tank? etc

I'd like to do a double install and add propane to my CNG install then put a smaller CNG tank in. Or just go propane.

Does your .38 cents per liter factor in the electric used to run your home appliance each night to compress the gas?
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 07:39 AM
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Does your .38 cents per liter factor in the electric used to run your home appliance each night to compress the gas?
Yes, I factored in electrical cost at night (we have "Smart" meters and pay different rates at different times of the day), cost of natural gas(fixed but changes every 6 months depending on how much the utility company buys gas for) and the lease of the compressor(from my utility company and the service it as part of the lease).

Another advantage of fueling up at home is that there is no provincial road tax.

My conversion (handled by my Nat Gas utility co) was $6,000.00. My buy back was approx 2 years. I drive about 35000 km's a year.

I typically keep my vehicles 8 - 10 years. My Eco Boost SCREW is the first new vehicle I've converted to NGV. I've owned 3 other trucks that were all converted to Natural Gas. I plan to keep my SCREW longer than 10 years.

Plus as PropanPowered pointed out there are environmental benefits as well. Natural Gas is a bit better than propane on green house emissions and higher octane (130). But unless the motor is built to take advantage of it it a mute point.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 10:48 AM
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In Cali propane converted vehicles get access to carpool lanes. If time is money then chalk that up to additional savings.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:19 AM
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AS an employee of a propane co. are you paying a hiway tax on the fuel you use?
I'm not familiar with Canadian tax laws but here in the US we must pay road tax on propane used as motor fuel on road. I am a firm believer in LP gas as a motor fuel because its cleaner burning and generally longer service intervals with less engine wear.
With the higher cost for LP. gas in the states coupled with reduced range and millage It would not be practical except maybe in a fleet setting with fueling facility and short range use.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:21 AM
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There WILL be a provincial (or other) road tax as soon as lawmakers figure out how to legislate it. Probably based on miles driven per year.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by beaker80
Yes, I factored in electrical cost at night (we have "Smart" meters and pay different rates at different times of the day), cost of natural gas(fixed but changes every 6 months depending on how much the utility company buys gas for) and the lease of the compressor(from my utility company and the service it as part of the lease).

Another advantage of fueling up at home is that there is no provincial road tax.

My conversion (handled by my Nat Gas utility co) was $6,000.00. My buy back was approx 2 years. I drive about 35000 km's a year.

I typically keep my vehicles 8 - 10 years. My Eco Boost SCREW is the first new vehicle I've converted to NGV. I've owned 3 other trucks that were all converted to Natural Gas. I plan to keep my SCREW longer than 10 years.

Plus as PropanPowered pointed out there are environmental benefits as well. Natural Gas is a bit better than propane on green house emissions and higher octane (130). But unless the motor is built to take advantage of it it a mute point.
just one question how do you convert an Eco Boost Which relies on high pressure direct gasoline injection to run on CNG? what am I missing?
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:33 AM
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Pretty cool.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bubbabud
AS an employee of a propane co. are you paying a hiway tax on the fuel you use?
I'm not familiar with Canadian tax laws but here in the US we must pay road tax on propane used as motor fuel on road. I am a firm believer in LP gas as a motor fuel because its cleaner burning and generally longer service intervals with less engine wear.
With the higher cost for LP. gas in the states coupled with reduced range and millage It would not be practical except maybe in a fleet setting with fueling facility and short range use.
Yes, we do pay road taxes on propane used for auto fuel here in British Columbia.

I believe that the cost savings between propane and gas may be more significant in Canada than most parts of the US due to our higher gas prices. In Vancouver, regular gas spent most of the last year in the $1.30 - $1.40/litre range (roughly $5.00/gallon), so the savings are probably far greater than if you live in an area where the average gas prices are $2.50 - $3.00/gallon.

Like anything else, it's not a great fit for everyone, but it sure works for me!
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